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Excellent article. For me the whole ethnonationalist/civic nationalist schism is a nonsense that only helps the Left. We need both a recognition that nations form around specific ethnic identities that are real and a set of coherent civic values associated with those people. We need massive reduction of immigration and reassertion of the pride and equality of the native white ethnic groups, but in a confident way that can include patriotic and integrated ethnic minorities. There is lots of racism against the ethnic English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish that could be addressed and challenged without embracing Nazism or hating minorities. Nazism is as literally foreign to the English as Islamism is. I see no reason why we can’t say that English is a real ethnic category that deserves respect, for instance, AND that a black patriot is far more of an ally than a white Marxist is. We need some ethno-nationalism and some civic nationalism, in balance, and extremes of both end up just serving leftists either by being barking mad and unelectable at one end or by being pathetically weak and useless at the other end.

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Swindonian incels?! 😅

Come on Pete, Carl is a married father of 4. Let it go man.

I think it is important to be clear in one's understanding of the limits of the ethnos question. I believe ethnicity is the fundamental base layer of nationality. That doesn't mean I am an antisemitic ethno-purist. My position is not unusual, I suspect most vaguely nationalist people are of similar persuasion. We just want to be recognised as The People Of These Islands. Somewhere people, not fungible anywheres.

We need to move on from this Top Trumps bollocks, where all geopolitical views are collated and compared, so we can all get pigeonholed as this or that and put into a particular box. The perpetual algorithmification of everything...

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