One aspect many people don't tend to mention is so many of our own people living in post industrial wastelands are on welfare and fear the Right will take it away.
A good reason for removing the vote from anyone who is living off of the state. If you're not contributing, you don't get a say in how money is raised or spent.
This is what I posted on Turbulent Times this morning :-
All I can say is after a honeymoon period, should Burnham be anointed PM, he will fail the country badly as anyone from the Labour party taking over from Starmer would.
As to Nigel's personal kingdom of Reform UK I would suggest he and it has peaked.
All the established parties and even the new kids on the block prove every day they do not have the long or even short term answers to our country's ingrained problems.
Our once great country is crying out for new bold decisive actions from a new breed of leader.
There are no "bold, decisive actions" that can save us.
We are doomed by:
1) Demography - even if immigration ceased completely we're on course for a Third World population (and the average IQ of the indigenous population is falling) - and
2) Increasing energy costs, even if we abandon the imbecility of Net Zero.
I'm 65 and live on the Northants side of the Northants/ Rutland border. My village is 93% White British, 3% other White, 3% mixed race - bog-standard White mother, black father who has buggered off - and 1% not in those categories.
I expect our doom , though inevitable, to be slow enough that I can observe it from a position of comparative safety.
Well I'm 75 and could write the same scenario living in rural Somerset near Shepton Mallet but I'm determined to keep pushing this so that when the country eventually does correct the huge mistakes of the last 30 years our democracy is left on a better footing.
Very satisfying to see Reform take a hiding at the polls, and even better to see the pompous 'PM in waiting' go into hiding in his Mayfair Club or his house in Clacton or on the beachhouse in Hastings or wherever.
His final stirring video address was about brown boys in boats ??? Yes that it is important, but hasn't he anything else to tempt the voters to go his way? Apparently not, the voters want jobs, investment and a hope, not this dead-end Reform script in a 99% white constituency 250 miles from Kent.
It just shows the paucity of his claims, and if I were a billionaire backer of his, I would be wanting serious answers as to what I'm getting for my money and when I'm going to get it, because right now in his 'dead cert' territory, he and Reform have been rejected. (for the second, third or fourth time)
- To be clear, Makerfield is not a post-industrial wasteland by any measure.
I don’t share your glee at Reform taking a hiding nor the King of the North’s coronation but I wasn’t surprised at this result. Yes Robert Kenyon was a rubbish candidate and Burnham well known and a good media personality (it should be as that’s been his life) but the real story for me is Reform’s lack of policy or inability to speak about anything except illegal migration and leaving the ECHR. Where’s the message of growing the economy? Lowering taxes? Getting people back to work? Building our defence capabilities? Tackling law and order? It’s not there and they can’t win Westminster seats without these basics.
Completely agree. I'm as pissed off as the next right winger re asylum hotels, HMO Britain (good phrase Andy B), anarcho-tyranny on steroids. But I need to hear something else, about the economy, going for growth etc.
I'm certainly not getting it from Reform (even less Restore).
But I'm starting to get it from Kemi Badenoch (see her speech to The City a couple of days ago).
You're right, Pete. And with the key Labour players doffing their caps to Burnham (in particular Streeting) as the Crown Prince, I don't see a leadership contest; with Burnham's 'popularity' in the ascendant (i.e. give them another chance with him) if I were advising him, I'd say 'set out your own stall and go to the country in the autumn'. I think he'd win. It won't matter that it will all be downhill after that - we'll be lumbered until 2031. Will Farage/Lowe even still be around then?
Makerfield was a cock up by Reform/Restore from beginning to end with neither side showing any intelligent decisions or demonstrating sound judgement. Many an excellent potential leader has faced and been defeated by this in the past: Enoch Powell, Michael Portillo to name but two. There are rarely any second chances in politics for failures.
Interesting stuff as ever - there are a few takeaways from this. First up the genius of Farage was 'getting out' in the second half of the last decade just as his star was slipping and just as he'd have been on the cusp of serious, grown up responsibility. It meant he could sit on the bench and be the outside saviour, but the problem is you can only do that once. With failing health and age not on his side you definitely can't.
Tied into that...Rupert Lowe is a good few years older than Nigel and will be well into his 70s by the time of a 2029 election. If Restore was a serious and credible thing they would be pushing younger faces and actively promoting them as spokespersons and future leaders, not firing out random bilge on X based on what side of the bed Uncle Rupes got out of or what he's had to drink this evening.
The ten point plan is worth a few reads, so I'll read it a few times.
If Burnham wins the leadership then he'll want to wait until the inevitable Reform civil war kicks off next year (or the year after at the latest). Restore will probably turn out to be some sort of online fad and the ground will be clear for Labour to actually win an election. Reform have got the incumbency advantage with many as it stands and become the vote of habit for enough to make an immediate election risky. It'll need the civil war to tip it over the edge.
As for the curse of the bad candidate I'm starting to think it's either deliberate or the people who would make excellent candidates just aren't joining parties anymore. One for another time.
One aspect many people don't tend to mention is so many of our own people living in post industrial wastelands are on welfare and fear the Right will take it away.
A good reason for removing the vote from anyone who is living off of the state. If you're not contributing, you don't get a say in how money is raised or spent.
And of course anybody who hasn’t served in the Armed Forces. Is this how it works?…
Not sure what you're getting at. Why should serving in the armed forces be a requirement in order to vote? (If that's what you're actually saying)?
This is what I posted on Turbulent Times this morning :-
All I can say is after a honeymoon period, should Burnham be anointed PM, he will fail the country badly as anyone from the Labour party taking over from Starmer would.
As to Nigel's personal kingdom of Reform UK I would suggest he and it has peaked.
All the established parties and even the new kids on the block prove every day they do not have the long or even short term answers to our country's ingrained problems.
Our once great country is crying out for new bold decisive actions from a new breed of leader.
There are no "bold, decisive actions" that can save us.
We are doomed by:
1) Demography - even if immigration ceased completely we're on course for a Third World population (and the average IQ of the indigenous population is falling) - and
2) Increasing energy costs, even if we abandon the imbecility of Net Zero.
So Martin what country are you heading to?!
I'm 65 and live on the Northants side of the Northants/ Rutland border. My village is 93% White British, 3% other White, 3% mixed race - bog-standard White mother, black father who has buggered off - and 1% not in those categories.
I expect our doom , though inevitable, to be slow enough that I can observe it from a position of comparative safety.
Well I'm 75 and could write the same scenario living in rural Somerset near Shepton Mallet but I'm determined to keep pushing this so that when the country eventually does correct the huge mistakes of the last 30 years our democracy is left on a better footing.
https://harrogateagenda.org.uk/
Very satisfying to see Reform take a hiding at the polls, and even better to see the pompous 'PM in waiting' go into hiding in his Mayfair Club or his house in Clacton or on the beachhouse in Hastings or wherever.
His final stirring video address was about brown boys in boats ??? Yes that it is important, but hasn't he anything else to tempt the voters to go his way? Apparently not, the voters want jobs, investment and a hope, not this dead-end Reform script in a 99% white constituency 250 miles from Kent.
It just shows the paucity of his claims, and if I were a billionaire backer of his, I would be wanting serious answers as to what I'm getting for my money and when I'm going to get it, because right now in his 'dead cert' territory, he and Reform have been rejected. (for the second, third or fourth time)
- To be clear, Makerfield is not a post-industrial wasteland by any measure.
I don’t share your glee at Reform taking a hiding nor the King of the North’s coronation but I wasn’t surprised at this result. Yes Robert Kenyon was a rubbish candidate and Burnham well known and a good media personality (it should be as that’s been his life) but the real story for me is Reform’s lack of policy or inability to speak about anything except illegal migration and leaving the ECHR. Where’s the message of growing the economy? Lowering taxes? Getting people back to work? Building our defence capabilities? Tackling law and order? It’s not there and they can’t win Westminster seats without these basics.
Completely agree. I'm as pissed off as the next right winger re asylum hotels, HMO Britain (good phrase Andy B), anarcho-tyranny on steroids. But I need to hear something else, about the economy, going for growth etc.
I'm certainly not getting it from Reform (even less Restore).
But I'm starting to get it from Kemi Badenoch (see her speech to The City a couple of days ago).
You do realise the whole thing is a pantomime
There all bullshiters The City controls every thing
So all your basically doing is going through the motions
Ooo not “The City”… grow up.
Ooo...jog on.
It was only a get rid of Starmer vote… nothing else.
Everyone tactically voted for Burnham and against Farage.
Labour loyalists who'll vote for a mannequin in a red rosette.
Anti Starmer Labour voters.
Green and LD voters who know Burnham is their best chance of PR.
Tories who'd rather have Burnham in than Reform.
True floating voters who couldn't envisage a misogynist pig representing them.
Restorers who celebrate anyone but Farage winning.
And most humorous of all, Reformers who felt the biggest prize was Starmer out, lol.
https://ianmcniff.substack.com/p/you-talk-a-lot-but-dont-say-owt?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=2lo6de
Excellent essay
You're right, Pete. And with the key Labour players doffing their caps to Burnham (in particular Streeting) as the Crown Prince, I don't see a leadership contest; with Burnham's 'popularity' in the ascendant (i.e. give them another chance with him) if I were advising him, I'd say 'set out your own stall and go to the country in the autumn'. I think he'd win. It won't matter that it will all be downhill after that - we'll be lumbered until 2031. Will Farage/Lowe even still be around then?
Makerfield was a cock up by Reform/Restore from beginning to end with neither side showing any intelligent decisions or demonstrating sound judgement. Many an excellent potential leader has faced and been defeated by this in the past: Enoch Powell, Michael Portillo to name but two. There are rarely any second chances in politics for failures.
This was a bad result for Restore and will need a thorough examination.
Was the MSM successful in reducing the impact of Restore by censoring and false reporting?
How can it be addressed?
Were Restore helpers used efficiently?
Were the funds available for advertising used wisely?
Was the contents of the advertising readable informative persuasive?
I’m sure there are other questions and hopefully there will be good answers, but right now I don’t see a future for the UK.
Interesting stuff as ever - there are a few takeaways from this. First up the genius of Farage was 'getting out' in the second half of the last decade just as his star was slipping and just as he'd have been on the cusp of serious, grown up responsibility. It meant he could sit on the bench and be the outside saviour, but the problem is you can only do that once. With failing health and age not on his side you definitely can't.
Tied into that...Rupert Lowe is a good few years older than Nigel and will be well into his 70s by the time of a 2029 election. If Restore was a serious and credible thing they would be pushing younger faces and actively promoting them as spokespersons and future leaders, not firing out random bilge on X based on what side of the bed Uncle Rupes got out of or what he's had to drink this evening.
The ten point plan is worth a few reads, so I'll read it a few times.
If Burnham wins the leadership then he'll want to wait until the inevitable Reform civil war kicks off next year (or the year after at the latest). Restore will probably turn out to be some sort of online fad and the ground will be clear for Labour to actually win an election. Reform have got the incumbency advantage with many as it stands and become the vote of habit for enough to make an immediate election risky. It'll need the civil war to tip it over the edge.
As for the curse of the bad candidate I'm starting to think it's either deliberate or the people who would make excellent candidates just aren't joining parties anymore. One for another time.
"Rupert Lowe is a good few years older than Nigel "
I'm a few years older than Farage but I'm nowhere near as physically fucked as he is. His teeth!
that got a laugh, nice one!!
I did not get it wrong actually. My next prediction (maybe hope admittedly) was that Burnham will now do a “reverse Truss”.
Sounds like a wrestling move, or a Pornhub category, lol.