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Tony Homewood's avatar

I am English. My name means forest dweller, as you might deduce.

I can trace my maternal blood line back to Elizabethan England. I guess that makes me English to such extent as any of us are purely anything.

My friend is English in the sense he was born in Morley. His parents were Serbian. They came here to escape the nazis. His father, once here, joined the Royal Navy and fought in WW2. BUT, he is not ethnically English. He is Serbian and he looks Serbian. Nonetheless, he has every right to be here. For practical purposes he is English but he is in fact just British. We agree on this. He has a British passport which was earned by his father at the very least.

You can become British but you cannot become English, Welsh, Scots or Irish.

What I am suggesting is a civic sense of British nationalism, which isn't very satisfactory if you can just rock up and get one the next day, which is where we are at.

British passports need to be earned and that means behaving in a way commensurate with that status.

I found out today that we now have people coming here from Sth America to escape socialism and being granted asylum on that basis.

This has to stop and all aliens need to be deported.

Ridgemont's avatar

It’s somewhat amusing that this has come up at the same time as the Sheeran debacle.

Sheeran maybe 1/4 Irish and self identifies as ‘culturally Irish’ but he isn’t Irish anymore than I, as a Brit with an Irish mother. I’m Anglo Irish, and to my culturally sensitive cousins, a Brit.

I can’t choose otherwise: I can’t opt in. I might over time if I so was inclined live a long time in RoI and be accepted by locals as Irish, but slapping a label on me (O’im oirish so tharr) because I feel I am does not make me so.

I am however English according to my cousins. Or certainly British.

For me? I identify as British not least because I can cover all bases there: 2 Irish grandparents, 1 English, 1 Welsh. British is a coverall for multiple identities. Always has been always will. But opting into English without a birthright means effectively claiming something you aren’t. I don’t think that makes me an Ethno: I just accept that the British label works for me because I am a mix and comfortable with that. I speak with RP and my cousins identify me as English but I know I am a mix. And that’s fine.

A bit like the Sheeran situation: a man who knows little of Ireland has decided he knows how the post independence, post civil war mindset possibly works with regards to politics. Because he is ‘culturally Irish’.

No he isn’t. And no he doesn’t. Hanging out in Galway listening to folk bands does not entitle you to that label.

Had he done the ‘I’m no longer British, but Irish’ I suspect he might have got more leeway. But ‘culturally’? Dead in the water. And that’s the point of ‘Britishness’: it’s a coverall for multiple identities: it was designed for Welsh, English, Irish and Scottish identities. Or even those who apply for a passport.

It is expansive and can be made more so. English however is somewhat more prescriptive. And should be. As per RoI you don’t get to nominally opt yourself into that label because frankly you don’t ‘know’. I think Konstantin Kisin has the right of this. He is as British as I am. He is not ‘English’ and neither really am I. And that’s cool. Both of us *want* to be British. And there is no reason why that shouldn’t be so. Provided we cleave to British values.

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