"obligation to integrate" - I don't think immigrants have ever felt an obligation to integrate. Why would they, when they have been encouraged to remain insular by free translation services and tolerance of their culture (despite its variance with ours) including halal slaughter, calls to prayer, unlimited planning permission for mosques, Islamic schools (breaking every equality law there is), sharia courts (ditto), free housing and maintenance, no requirement to work, ability to import spouses at will?
Any serious attempt to deal with places like Bradford will lead to riots, to put it mildly, and there is absolutely no way of avoiding that.
We need a political movement that understands and accepts widespread civil unrest is the only way forward, with the muscle and tactical nous to use the riots to meet their ends.
We have absolutely none of the raw ingredients for such a movement, either in muscle or will. In fact, I think the state of this nation is now beyond the scope of the democratic model. Only a military dictatorship can fix this mess.
We may end up there one day, but it won't be pretty, and whatever the outcome the country we know will be gone. It already has gone, we just haven't hit the ground yet.
My sense is that Jenrick is more than willing to pick a fight. But, like Pete, I have my doubts about Badenoch.
For those who aren't prepared to countenance remigration of not just illegals but legals - and I suspect Badenoch may fall into that camp - all that's left is integration. (Which I suspect is why so many on the non-remigration right are enamoured with what Katharine Birbalsingh has done at Michaela School.)
But as Pete rightly points out, serious, muscular integration policies amount to picking a fight i.e. (almost) certainly provoking riots.
Similarly, Pete has put a lot of thought into how to implement the least provocative form of remigration i.e. voluntary as opposed to compulsory. But even the most well-thought-out voluntary remigration scheme has a clear underlying message of "a significant proportion of the natives really don't want you here" and runs a very high risk of provoking riots.
So there's probably no real progress to be made without picking a fight. And I have my doubts that Kemi ultimately has the stomach for it.
Carswell’s 9 point plan is the best and most comprehensive set of ideas for managing the country I’ve read in decades. No serious party in waiting for government should ignore his words.
It was either arrogance, stupidity or the forgetting of history that allowed this idea that incompatible immigrants would integrate to take hold.
The European settlers in the Americas, Asia and Australasia certainly didn't integrate; they imposed their culture on the indigenous peoples and ruthlessly destroyed the civilisations they found. In the Indian sub continent, Britons who adopted Indian customs were derided as "having gone native". Why would we expect immigrants to Britain to behave any differently to the westerners who settled across the globe?
Too kind to her. She should be gone, back to the backbenches and then out. She's the problem not any solution, ever. She's got a 2600 majority, Reform HQ will throw money at that seat.
A lot of posts lately - the heat must be firing you up!
As to Olukemi I thought initially, after ditching the Homeland Party, you appeared to be a tad over keen she might produce the goods but I see you are now being more cautious - I guess once bitten twice shy!!
My own view is she is nothing special and lacks gravitas and if she wasn't black I doubt she would have won the leadership race. Put bluntly there is absolutely no way, however clever she is, with her age and background that she can ever have a deep and real understanding of what being British means.
As I so often say of Nigel Farage, if you think Olukemi is the answer you are asking the wrong question.
Thatcher as a mother and Christian was able to face down the rampant criticism in the mid-70s that she was an awful mum and poor Christian for cutting school milk from the poorest.
She thrived on the attacks "Maggie Thatcher, the milk snatcher"
And Facebook nostalgia for the 1960s pages are packed with comments about how the majority of those kids loathed and hated having to drink that milk and adopted all sorts of tricks and subterfuge to avoid it so she did kids a favour.
The Parliamentary Party, even though much reduced, is still factionalised between centrists and right wingers with the former probably in the majority. Badenoch, like Sunak, is preoccupied with party management. She fears an internal war knowing that would finish the party for good. Accordingly, her policies will be subject to the political equivalent of sensitivity readers as she tries to dquare a circle,
Of course Labour are seriously factionalised and incredibly so it is tiny Reform.
In short, the country is not going to get the policies it needs from anyone.
The factions can continue arguing as the Good (?) Ship Tory Party sinks without trace on the iceberg that is the 2029 GE and the "say anything" Farage.
The local party is dying on its knees (no candidate fielded at Kings Lynn North ward election this week), and Badenoch is trying to thread both wings of her party through the eye of a needle, not so much fiddling as Rome burns, but sinks.
Appearances matter more than getting down to the task in hand.
Tory conference to next year's second round of local councils, mayoral, Welsh Senned elections, is all Badenoch and the party have left to start getting it right, on the back of fearsome factionalism in the Labour govt that will be for all to see in the next 12 months.
There's a bigger problem for Badenoch and the party that dwarfs any matters of policy.
It's that the party is dying in real time at local level.
They're not fielding candidates in local areas, handing wins to Reform and the LDs.
Case in point, Kings Lynn North and a ward in Mel Stride's patch.
Ostensibly the party at local level is a shambles, falling apart, non existent.
Kings Lynn North should be slam dunk for the Tories, working class, provincial, still very strongly culturally English. It's not a lost area like Rotherham or Bradford.
Yet the party either couldn't find a candidate to stand, couldn't find the deposit, or didn't have the depth of presence to matter.
I truly believe it's this evidence more than (lack of) big policy pronouncements that presage the death of the party, previously the longest standing, most successful, most competitive, most driven party in the West.
Badenoch can turn the lights off after the 2029 GE as she leaves CCHQ with the Tories on less than two dozen MPs.
I agree with your take on the local Tory Party situation. There's been a focus by commentators on the splits and collapse in the Parliamentary and national party, but the Tories have been haemorrhaging local activists for years, hollowing out their election machine and losing valuable experience. My contact with local Tories tells me that many members have moved left. It's not been based base versus woke top brass for quite some time. Were Jenrick to take over, he'd be a general without an army.
And when Badenoch oversees another raft of massive losses next May, the ground game will totally collapse, as a whole other swathe of local personnel and activists are flushed away.
It may also create a rush of workers from the Tories to Reform.
Slowly...then all at once.
The Tories are now a phantom party, their space and shadow now being inhabited by Reform.
Foreigners should be prohibited from holding any public office in the UK. Being born here doesn’t make you indigenous or necessarily confer citizenship. That’s ‘Kemi’s’ chief difficulty.
While actually denouncing the ECHR would be the simple approach, but with complex consequences, it is not the only option.
Its own terms (the so called 'colonial clause') allows for its territorial scope to be altered. So we have two other possible options:
1) Denounce for UK alone, leaving CI and IoM still covered.; then resubscribe for NI only.
2) Use the territorial alteration clauses to reduce the territorial scope, excluding GB. Hence leaving NI, CI and IoM still covered.
There is a piece by folks in Jersey analysing the first part of option 1 above, so this idea is not simply wild speculation.
Pursuing either of these approaches avoids issues arising out of NI and the GFA, but would still leave issues arising out of the EU withdrawal agreement and TCA regarding ECHR.
Can anyone explain how Denmark deport so many while remaining in the ECHR?
I asked the same Q during the referendum, why are France and Germany able to send European workers back home when anomalies arise, yet we were never able to?
"obligation to integrate" - I don't think immigrants have ever felt an obligation to integrate. Why would they, when they have been encouraged to remain insular by free translation services and tolerance of their culture (despite its variance with ours) including halal slaughter, calls to prayer, unlimited planning permission for mosques, Islamic schools (breaking every equality law there is), sharia courts (ditto), free housing and maintenance, no requirement to work, ability to import spouses at will?
When EU and Islamic countries ban burkas but the UK refuses, where are the true Tory’s?
There is absolutely no chance of expelling GIMMES / GIMES
(Granted IMMigrant Entitlement Status or Granted Illegal Migrant Entitlement Status).
To keep the UK solvent British and Christian, it is an absolute priority.
A burka ban is low down on any priority list, but then Kemi runs scared of this minor change to law enforcement.
Integration also requires a consensus of acceptance by the indigenous population. After decades of Muslim atrocities, that’s not going to happen.
We want them all to go home where they belong.
Any serious attempt to deal with places like Bradford will lead to riots, to put it mildly, and there is absolutely no way of avoiding that.
We need a political movement that understands and accepts widespread civil unrest is the only way forward, with the muscle and tactical nous to use the riots to meet their ends.
We have absolutely none of the raw ingredients for such a movement, either in muscle or will. In fact, I think the state of this nation is now beyond the scope of the democratic model. Only a military dictatorship can fix this mess.
We may end up there one day, but it won't be pretty, and whatever the outcome the country we know will be gone. It already has gone, we just haven't hit the ground yet.
My sense is that Jenrick is more than willing to pick a fight. But, like Pete, I have my doubts about Badenoch.
For those who aren't prepared to countenance remigration of not just illegals but legals - and I suspect Badenoch may fall into that camp - all that's left is integration. (Which I suspect is why so many on the non-remigration right are enamoured with what Katharine Birbalsingh has done at Michaela School.)
But as Pete rightly points out, serious, muscular integration policies amount to picking a fight i.e. (almost) certainly provoking riots.
Similarly, Pete has put a lot of thought into how to implement the least provocative form of remigration i.e. voluntary as opposed to compulsory. But even the most well-thought-out voluntary remigration scheme has a clear underlying message of "a significant proportion of the natives really don't want you here" and runs a very high risk of provoking riots.
So there's probably no real progress to be made without picking a fight. And I have my doubts that Kemi ultimately has the stomach for it.
Carswell’s 9 point plan is the best and most comprehensive set of ideas for managing the country I’ve read in decades. No serious party in waiting for government should ignore his words.
It was either arrogance, stupidity or the forgetting of history that allowed this idea that incompatible immigrants would integrate to take hold.
The European settlers in the Americas, Asia and Australasia certainly didn't integrate; they imposed their culture on the indigenous peoples and ruthlessly destroyed the civilisations they found. In the Indian sub continent, Britons who adopted Indian customs were derided as "having gone native". Why would we expect immigrants to Britain to behave any differently to the westerners who settled across the globe?
Too kind to her. She should be gone, back to the backbenches and then out. She's the problem not any solution, ever. She's got a 2600 majority, Reform HQ will throw money at that seat.
A lot of posts lately - the heat must be firing you up!
As to Olukemi I thought initially, after ditching the Homeland Party, you appeared to be a tad over keen she might produce the goods but I see you are now being more cautious - I guess once bitten twice shy!!
My own view is she is nothing special and lacks gravitas and if she wasn't black I doubt she would have won the leadership race. Put bluntly there is absolutely no way, however clever she is, with her age and background that she can ever have a deep and real understanding of what being British means.
As I so often say of Nigel Farage, if you think Olukemi is the answer you are asking the wrong question.
Difficult for an anchor baby to pick a fight on immigration, leads her wide open to accusations of hypocrisy.
Thatcher as a mother and Christian was able to face down the rampant criticism in the mid-70s that she was an awful mum and poor Christian for cutting school milk from the poorest.
She thrived on the attacks "Maggie Thatcher, the milk snatcher"
And Facebook nostalgia for the 1960s pages are packed with comments about how the majority of those kids loathed and hated having to drink that milk and adopted all sorts of tricks and subterfuge to avoid it so she did kids a favour.
The Parliamentary Party, even though much reduced, is still factionalised between centrists and right wingers with the former probably in the majority. Badenoch, like Sunak, is preoccupied with party management. She fears an internal war knowing that would finish the party for good. Accordingly, her policies will be subject to the political equivalent of sensitivity readers as she tries to dquare a circle,
Of course Labour are seriously factionalised and incredibly so it is tiny Reform.
In short, the country is not going to get the policies it needs from anyone.
The factions can continue arguing as the Good (?) Ship Tory Party sinks without trace on the iceberg that is the 2029 GE and the "say anything" Farage.
The local party is dying on its knees (no candidate fielded at Kings Lynn North ward election this week), and Badenoch is trying to thread both wings of her party through the eye of a needle, not so much fiddling as Rome burns, but sinks.
Appearances matter more than getting down to the task in hand.
Tory conference to next year's second round of local councils, mayoral, Welsh Senned elections, is all Badenoch and the party have left to start getting it right, on the back of fearsome factionalism in the Labour govt that will be for all to see in the next 12 months.
There's a bigger problem for Badenoch and the party that dwarfs any matters of policy.
It's that the party is dying in real time at local level.
They're not fielding candidates in local areas, handing wins to Reform and the LDs.
Case in point, Kings Lynn North and a ward in Mel Stride's patch.
Ostensibly the party at local level is a shambles, falling apart, non existent.
Kings Lynn North should be slam dunk for the Tories, working class, provincial, still very strongly culturally English. It's not a lost area like Rotherham or Bradford.
Yet the party either couldn't find a candidate to stand, couldn't find the deposit, or didn't have the depth of presence to matter.
I truly believe it's this evidence more than (lack of) big policy pronouncements that presage the death of the party, previously the longest standing, most successful, most competitive, most driven party in the West.
Badenoch can turn the lights off after the 2029 GE as she leaves CCHQ with the Tories on less than two dozen MPs.
I agree with your take on the local Tory Party situation. There's been a focus by commentators on the splits and collapse in the Parliamentary and national party, but the Tories have been haemorrhaging local activists for years, hollowing out their election machine and losing valuable experience. My contact with local Tories tells me that many members have moved left. It's not been based base versus woke top brass for quite some time. Were Jenrick to take over, he'd be a general without an army.
I agree.
I really think it's curtains.
And when Badenoch oversees another raft of massive losses next May, the ground game will totally collapse, as a whole other swathe of local personnel and activists are flushed away.
It may also create a rush of workers from the Tories to Reform.
Slowly...then all at once.
The Tories are now a phantom party, their space and shadow now being inhabited by Reform.
Spot on as ever Pete, that’s a powerful piece of work.
Well done Sir.
Foreigners should be prohibited from holding any public office in the UK. Being born here doesn’t make you indigenous or necessarily confer citizenship. That’s ‘Kemi’s’ chief difficulty.
While actually denouncing the ECHR would be the simple approach, but with complex consequences, it is not the only option.
Its own terms (the so called 'colonial clause') allows for its territorial scope to be altered. So we have two other possible options:
1) Denounce for UK alone, leaving CI and IoM still covered.; then resubscribe for NI only.
2) Use the territorial alteration clauses to reduce the territorial scope, excluding GB. Hence leaving NI, CI and IoM still covered.
There is a piece by folks in Jersey analysing the first part of option 1 above, so this idea is not simply wild speculation.
Pursuing either of these approaches avoids issues arising out of NI and the GFA, but would still leave issues arising out of the EU withdrawal agreement and TCA regarding ECHR.
Can anyone explain how Denmark deport so many while remaining in the ECHR?
I asked the same Q during the referendum, why are France and Germany able to send European workers back home when anomalies arise, yet we were never able to?
King Charles is more controversial than Kemi Badenoch.
If a ban on burkas is ‘difficult’ what chance of implementing any changes to laws on integration?
How do we escape the downward spiral caused by hand wringing at taking action against mass migration to the UK?
Seriously it’s pathetic.
She couldn’t blow a fucking monkey