Last night I listened in on a nationalist space (Twitter radio) comprised mainly of Restore Britain supporters - and I am now more convinced than ever that Restore will implode.
Many on the left don't like each other but will vote together to claim power, seeing it better to have 4/10 preferences ticked than 0/10.
We on the right, however, seem to demand utter purity and won't support anything if it doesn't tick 10/10 preferences.
In the meantime, Joe bloggs of General street, Middle ground, will continue to not vote or at best keep with labour/Tories because there is nothing coming out of Reform/Restore that will ease the cost of living, create opportunities for his children, or create a vision of a successful future Britain.
Migration is a big problem, but it is far from the only problem, and the parties need to be adding that to their set list.
I have to agree with you about the right demanding purity and everything they want. I’ve always thought the right had higher IQs and better ideas but if we can’t understand that without power ideologies are irrelevant then we must be very stupid.
I think the right has spent a long time compromising, and has failed to get anything. The Tory big tent strategy as can be seen from their last time in power turned into what was basically a Blair tribute act. How to square the circle between compromise that leads to betrayal, and purity that leads to abject failure?
I don’t think that’s true. Historically the right has only had the Tories to vote for. Then Reform can give them most of what they want but not all so 4% which could be crucial, splinter off to Restore who cannot win outside Great Yarmouth. But people still follow them so they’ll get nothing except more socialism. Madness.
I think you've hit the nail on the head with this article. It's just a matter of time for Restore to implode , you can't have civic nats and cultural nats in the same party as ethno nats.
Reform need some Leader's in waiting to replace Farage, which they do have. Reform has a big problem in some constituencies with tory infiltrators who have wrecked branches but that's not insurmountable. I still think or hope Reform can turn things around because it really is the last chance to save our country without resorting to other means.
Yeah, I'll make a prediction now, the way things are going, at the next election, we'll end up with a full labour government, or greens and labour coalition.
If that happens, a repeat of Labour’s “landslide victory” where only one fifth of the electorate voted Labour, David Betz’s predictions will be realised. That’s the only result I can see in the long term.
It’s true Farage and Lowe are slowing down and need others to share their burdens.
As far as Reform is concerned the obvious replacement is Yusuf, as stated. But how will that stand with Reform supporters?
For Restore,there’s Charlie Downes. He has become noticeable with the nasties of MSM baring their teeth - so he’s making progress.
In the background Andrew Bridgen hovers, how he fits in isn’t clear, but he will become more prominent as his litigations wind down.
I do know supporters of Restore who will vote Reform in any national ballot and vice versa, so the right isn’t that split (wishful thinking). Perhaps Tory’s are looking for prominence in a future right wing coalition, but they don’t merit it, as they simply aren’t trusted.
I’m surprised no thought has been given to how the Ukraine conflict will affect future UK politics.
I think migration issues will go quiet in the near future as the Ukraine conflict takes centre stage.
Putin is angry and no doubt he will do something over the UKs activity of supplying military equipment and expertise to Ukraine. What that is is anyone’s guess, but you can be sure it will be prominent.
MSM will show outrage over the evil empires actions but what of Labour supporters with their natural affinity with Russia?
The future isn’t as binary as your article would have it.
Trump has noted his reluctance to support NATO to back the UK in any retaliation Putin might enact. That would point to something in the pipeline.
The future for the UK looks even more dangerous than previously.
Agree with a lot of this but Reform still polling at 27%, which isnt bad given the wave of anti- Farage stuff in MSM. Reform vote may harden again as a result of the pictures of the super-dinghy and the Home Office's "please do not rape our women" pamphlet. I agree Reform would be diabolical in govt, but there is a resilient core to their support.
As I've said before the 'Right' need more time to sort themselves out which they will get as a coalition of the 'Left' will keep out the 'Right' at the next election.
She was born to British parents because she had a genetic and cultural inheritance. I've got the brain of an Irish Solicitor and a piece of shrapnel grandpa earned from a British warship. The residents of Green Lane can go and live in Pakistan. This isn't unreasonable, they can go peacefully back to Mirpur. If anyone sees the Mayor or Birmingham please ask him to bugger off.
He wasn't talking about Cavaliers and Roundheads in lines behind cannon yelling "fire". He described it as everything breaking down, sabotage, looting, lawlessness, street violence.
And when Reform and Restore implode, my guess is many of their supporters will go back to not voting. I like Kemi politically but the Tories are still rightly blamed for the wasted years and wasted Brexit. How many are going to trudge to the polling station to essentially vote against what they dislike more?
Farage said two years ago when he re-entered politics that he always planned to be the figurehead to guide Reform to government and then he would step down for someone younger. Everyone I know has always assumed that would be Zia Yusuf. He is popular, switched on, and what most Reformers want.
In order to form a government you have to get a majority. Reform isn't perfect but given the choices it is the "least worst option". Restore has never understood that. I have no doubt there are a lot of nice people who support Lowe, but there are also some quite extreme ethnonationalists with some bizarre ideas. Antisemitism might be trendy but it's not going to get a majority. Telling a white, Anglosaxon, Christian, native English speaking Australian like me I'm "f***ing foreign scum who should be forcibly deported" isn't going to get a majority.
And just a point. You do realise that "I don't care" was the slogan of the Italian fascists, don't you?
We're staring a very severe economic recession/depression in the face. Default, hyperinflation and collapse isn't unthinkable. It's the same in the UK, the US, the EU, Japan.
All across the west, we saw governments bribe their voters with various forms of largesse since roughly the mid 1990s primarily by way of copying the "Greenspan put". So-called "independent" central banks have stimulated their respective economies at the first sign of recessionary conditions by dropping interest rates. Purely to prop up property and stock markets, and suppress yields on government bonds. Asset owners get richer and the asset-poor get left behind. But as we all know: You don't get something for nothing. Gravity always wins in the end. And the longer you defy gravity, the further and harder you fall.
It sparked a 30 year cheap credit boom. We saw boom and bust: The 1998 Asian market crisis and collapse of LTCM. The dot-com collapse. Sub-prime debt and ultimately the 2008 financial crisis. That was severe enough to be dealt with by "unconventional measures" - QE - which is printing money by any other name, only using it to buy govt. bonds (causing bond yields to drop - cheaper govt borrowing) in an attempt to prevent the money circulating into the wider economy too fast, and ideally destroying this created money at a later date before inflation kicked off.
But then came Covid-19. Another staggeringly massive round of QE to pay for lockdowns and furlough schemes. Then the Ukrainian war; oil prices explode causing huge inflation as Nordstream2 is destroyed and Russian petrochemicals are sanctioned. And now Iran has exacerbated this. All causing increasing funding requirements making existing debt destruction impossible.
Ever noticed how crises seem to be getting more frequent as the years pass by?
The debt is so large now that the consequences of compound arithmetic are being felt. In the UK, we spend more on debt servicing (i.e. paying the interest bill only) than defence and education combined. Meanwhile, the welfare bill (including state pension) now exceeds the revenue generated by income tax. So govt. borrowing will have to continue. Tax rises are almost certain. They won't help (see the Laffer curve as to why). If this goes much further, we go the way of Zimbabwe. This is obvious and not controversial. Yet both our political classes and our welfare-bribed electorate are wilfully ignoring all this. The tyranny of the short-term obsessed majority.
We saw back in 2008 how systemic risk and contagion causes economies to fall down like dominoes. It should be quite obvious that whoever is populating the corridors of Westminster will make no long-term difference. If politicians could've fixed real problems, they'd have fixed them back in 2009 post GFC. Politics is not going to save us. Different clowns, same old circus. We ain't votin' our way out of this. And the effects are, I think, going to affect us for the rest of our natural lives.
Ranting at each of our pointless political parties and their farcical factions is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. It's futile.
Everybody with an ounce of sense should be thinking *hard* about how they can cope best when the house of cards comes falling down. What will you do if your employer declares insolvency? Is your home as secure as possible? Are you physically fit? How did people affected in the US great depression survive? What skills do you have? What skills might be valuable? What networks do you have? Who do you trust?
Could the English Revolution and the birth of the Commonwealth have been realised without a leader like Oliver Cromwell? The Puritans were the underlying force enabling the removal of Charles 1. So you do need a unifying ideology. I don’t see any other way of getting a sufficient force together to upset the current establishment in the UK. Yes the policy details are important, but without an underlying ideology, nothing will achieve political power.
1) I'm a member of the Cromwell Club and Rupert's direct instructions were just "be sensible" 2) 'Ethnat and civnat' is a silly way to put it. I spoke to the Bahamas equivalent of Joanna Lumley outside Turfton Street and new passports isn't an impossible task if the rule is 'do it or go to prison if you work at the Home Office. 3) If banning Halal is an ethnat position, then I'd deport all the Muslims in Birmingham to prevent animal torture. 4) What do we do? All move to Scotland and buy an FPV drone along with the largest rifles we can? 5) If Restore Britain are that useless, then perhaps control of the British armed forces should be sent to guard Helen Pluckrose after Counterweight left me to get stabbed to death in Mercia.
Chris Naylor did this to Europe, not Boris Johnson or Merkel or even Hitler! Birmingham City Council was run by a Crenshawist entryist and got caught. Everyone on the right is just incapable of locating members of Birmingham Labour.
They just vanish into thin air like Poochie in 'The Simpsons'. Where are John Cotton’s gangsters molls now?
If you're not an ethnat then stop telling this white, Anglo-saxon, Christian, native English speaking, Australian born, descendant of Edward IV that I'm "f***ing foreifn scum who should be forcibly deported". Stop telling me that I should not be entitled to the OAP that I paid NI for over two decades. Stop telling me "you're not British and never will be" despite ALL FOUR of my grandparents being born British. Because I have had all of that and worse for 18 months from supporters of Lowe and Restore. Even before he left Reform.
And your answer will be exactly the words I always get.
Joanne Lumley isn't Indian and we're being murdered by invaders. Birmingham's Muslims cannot be policed due to the clan networks and attack us. We're forcibly deporting criminals and banning Halal. We can ban Kosher to be fair. It's our inheritance and it will not be stolen. Anyone clearly not wanted, leave this island peacefully.
Yeah, we're pretty screwed.
Many on the left don't like each other but will vote together to claim power, seeing it better to have 4/10 preferences ticked than 0/10.
We on the right, however, seem to demand utter purity and won't support anything if it doesn't tick 10/10 preferences.
In the meantime, Joe bloggs of General street, Middle ground, will continue to not vote or at best keep with labour/Tories because there is nothing coming out of Reform/Restore that will ease the cost of living, create opportunities for his children, or create a vision of a successful future Britain.
Migration is a big problem, but it is far from the only problem, and the parties need to be adding that to their set list.
We all remember one hit wonders.
And we all laugh at them now.
I have to agree with you about the right demanding purity and everything they want. I’ve always thought the right had higher IQs and better ideas but if we can’t understand that without power ideologies are irrelevant then we must be very stupid.
I think the right has spent a long time compromising, and has failed to get anything. The Tory big tent strategy as can be seen from their last time in power turned into what was basically a Blair tribute act. How to square the circle between compromise that leads to betrayal, and purity that leads to abject failure?
I don’t think that’s true. Historically the right has only had the Tories to vote for. Then Reform can give them most of what they want but not all so 4% which could be crucial, splinter off to Restore who cannot win outside Great Yarmouth. But people still follow them so they’ll get nothing except more socialism. Madness.
Agreed. Restore are concerned with ideological purity, just like the left.
I think you've hit the nail on the head with this article. It's just a matter of time for Restore to implode , you can't have civic nats and cultural nats in the same party as ethno nats.
Reform need some Leader's in waiting to replace Farage, which they do have. Reform has a big problem in some constituencies with tory infiltrators who have wrecked branches but that's not insurmountable. I still think or hope Reform can turn things around because it really is the last chance to save our country without resorting to other means.
Yeah, I'll make a prediction now, the way things are going, at the next election, we'll end up with a full labour government, or greens and labour coalition.
If that happens, a repeat of Labour’s “landslide victory” where only one fifth of the electorate voted Labour, David Betz’s predictions will be realised. That’s the only result I can see in the long term.
Civil war? No way. More terrorism, more violent protests at the margins, but you really think there might be civil war?
You don't seem to understand what Betz referred to as "civil war".
Fair enough, but could you elaborate please?
Question of extent if you ask me...
If not, the British people are finished.
More likely Lib Dumbs than Greens, but yeah 😒
It’s true Farage and Lowe are slowing down and need others to share their burdens.
As far as Reform is concerned the obvious replacement is Yusuf, as stated. But how will that stand with Reform supporters?
For Restore,there’s Charlie Downes. He has become noticeable with the nasties of MSM baring their teeth - so he’s making progress.
In the background Andrew Bridgen hovers, how he fits in isn’t clear, but he will become more prominent as his litigations wind down.
I do know supporters of Restore who will vote Reform in any national ballot and vice versa, so the right isn’t that split (wishful thinking). Perhaps Tory’s are looking for prominence in a future right wing coalition, but they don’t merit it, as they simply aren’t trusted.
I’m surprised no thought has been given to how the Ukraine conflict will affect future UK politics.
I think migration issues will go quiet in the near future as the Ukraine conflict takes centre stage.
Putin is angry and no doubt he will do something over the UKs activity of supplying military equipment and expertise to Ukraine. What that is is anyone’s guess, but you can be sure it will be prominent.
MSM will show outrage over the evil empires actions but what of Labour supporters with their natural affinity with Russia?
The future isn’t as binary as your article would have it.
Trump has noted his reluctance to support NATO to back the UK in any retaliation Putin might enact. That would point to something in the pipeline.
The future for the UK looks even more dangerous than previously.
Agree with a lot of this but Reform still polling at 27%, which isnt bad given the wave of anti- Farage stuff in MSM. Reform vote may harden again as a result of the pictures of the super-dinghy and the Home Office's "please do not rape our women" pamphlet. I agree Reform would be diabolical in govt, but there is a resilient core to their support.
As I've said before the 'Right' need more time to sort themselves out which they will get as a coalition of the 'Left' will keep out the 'Right' at the next election.
She was born to British parents because she had a genetic and cultural inheritance. I've got the brain of an Irish Solicitor and a piece of shrapnel grandpa earned from a British warship. The residents of Green Lane can go and live in Pakistan. This isn't unreasonable, they can go peacefully back to Mirpur. If anyone sees the Mayor or Birmingham please ask him to bugger off.
He wasn't talking about Cavaliers and Roundheads in lines behind cannon yelling "fire". He described it as everything breaking down, sabotage, looting, lawlessness, street violence.
And when Reform and Restore implode, my guess is many of their supporters will go back to not voting. I like Kemi politically but the Tories are still rightly blamed for the wasted years and wasted Brexit. How many are going to trudge to the polling station to essentially vote against what they dislike more?
Farage said two years ago when he re-entered politics that he always planned to be the figurehead to guide Reform to government and then he would step down for someone younger. Everyone I know has always assumed that would be Zia Yusuf. He is popular, switched on, and what most Reformers want.
In order to form a government you have to get a majority. Reform isn't perfect but given the choices it is the "least worst option". Restore has never understood that. I have no doubt there are a lot of nice people who support Lowe, but there are also some quite extreme ethnonationalists with some bizarre ideas. Antisemitism might be trendy but it's not going to get a majority. Telling a white, Anglosaxon, Christian, native English speaking Australian like me I'm "f***ing foreign scum who should be forcibly deported" isn't going to get a majority.
And just a point. You do realise that "I don't care" was the slogan of the Italian fascists, don't you?
Personally, I don't think it matters any more.
We're staring a very severe economic recession/depression in the face. Default, hyperinflation and collapse isn't unthinkable. It's the same in the UK, the US, the EU, Japan.
All across the west, we saw governments bribe their voters with various forms of largesse since roughly the mid 1990s primarily by way of copying the "Greenspan put". So-called "independent" central banks have stimulated their respective economies at the first sign of recessionary conditions by dropping interest rates. Purely to prop up property and stock markets, and suppress yields on government bonds. Asset owners get richer and the asset-poor get left behind. But as we all know: You don't get something for nothing. Gravity always wins in the end. And the longer you defy gravity, the further and harder you fall.
It sparked a 30 year cheap credit boom. We saw boom and bust: The 1998 Asian market crisis and collapse of LTCM. The dot-com collapse. Sub-prime debt and ultimately the 2008 financial crisis. That was severe enough to be dealt with by "unconventional measures" - QE - which is printing money by any other name, only using it to buy govt. bonds (causing bond yields to drop - cheaper govt borrowing) in an attempt to prevent the money circulating into the wider economy too fast, and ideally destroying this created money at a later date before inflation kicked off.
But then came Covid-19. Another staggeringly massive round of QE to pay for lockdowns and furlough schemes. Then the Ukrainian war; oil prices explode causing huge inflation as Nordstream2 is destroyed and Russian petrochemicals are sanctioned. And now Iran has exacerbated this. All causing increasing funding requirements making existing debt destruction impossible.
Ever noticed how crises seem to be getting more frequent as the years pass by?
The debt is so large now that the consequences of compound arithmetic are being felt. In the UK, we spend more on debt servicing (i.e. paying the interest bill only) than defence and education combined. Meanwhile, the welfare bill (including state pension) now exceeds the revenue generated by income tax. So govt. borrowing will have to continue. Tax rises are almost certain. They won't help (see the Laffer curve as to why). If this goes much further, we go the way of Zimbabwe. This is obvious and not controversial. Yet both our political classes and our welfare-bribed electorate are wilfully ignoring all this. The tyranny of the short-term obsessed majority.
We saw back in 2008 how systemic risk and contagion causes economies to fall down like dominoes. It should be quite obvious that whoever is populating the corridors of Westminster will make no long-term difference. If politicians could've fixed real problems, they'd have fixed them back in 2009 post GFC. Politics is not going to save us. Different clowns, same old circus. We ain't votin' our way out of this. And the effects are, I think, going to affect us for the rest of our natural lives.
Ranting at each of our pointless political parties and their farcical factions is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. It's futile.
Everybody with an ounce of sense should be thinking *hard* about how they can cope best when the house of cards comes falling down. What will you do if your employer declares insolvency? Is your home as secure as possible? Are you physically fit? How did people affected in the US great depression survive? What skills do you have? What skills might be valuable? What networks do you have? Who do you trust?
https://danoshinsky.com/2015/06/26/theres-one-little-problem-with-that-famous-wayne-gretzky-quote-about-pucks/
It was always going to end this way...Pete was right, fancy that?!!
Zia Yusuf as the leader of a political party is embarrassing, honestly he comes across as nasty and vindictive. Not a good look.
Where are the cool heads?
Could the English Revolution and the birth of the Commonwealth have been realised without a leader like Oliver Cromwell? The Puritans were the underlying force enabling the removal of Charles 1. So you do need a unifying ideology. I don’t see any other way of getting a sufficient force together to upset the current establishment in the UK. Yes the policy details are important, but without an underlying ideology, nothing will achieve political power.
1) I'm a member of the Cromwell Club and Rupert's direct instructions were just "be sensible" 2) 'Ethnat and civnat' is a silly way to put it. I spoke to the Bahamas equivalent of Joanna Lumley outside Turfton Street and new passports isn't an impossible task if the rule is 'do it or go to prison if you work at the Home Office. 3) If banning Halal is an ethnat position, then I'd deport all the Muslims in Birmingham to prevent animal torture. 4) What do we do? All move to Scotland and buy an FPV drone along with the largest rifles we can? 5) If Restore Britain are that useless, then perhaps control of the British armed forces should be sent to guard Helen Pluckrose after Counterweight left me to get stabbed to death in Mercia.
Chris Naylor did this to Europe, not Boris Johnson or Merkel or even Hitler! Birmingham City Council was run by a Crenshawist entryist and got caught. Everyone on the right is just incapable of locating members of Birmingham Labour.
They just vanish into thin air like Poochie in 'The Simpsons'. Where are John Cotton’s gangsters molls now?
If you're not an ethnat then stop telling this white, Anglo-saxon, Christian, native English speaking, Australian born, descendant of Edward IV that I'm "f***ing foreifn scum who should be forcibly deported". Stop telling me that I should not be entitled to the OAP that I paid NI for over two decades. Stop telling me "you're not British and never will be" despite ALL FOUR of my grandparents being born British. Because I have had all of that and worse for 18 months from supporters of Lowe and Restore. Even before he left Reform.
And your answer will be exactly the words I always get.
1. "Nobody ever said that you liar."
2. "But we don't mean people like you dear."
Joanne Lumley isn't Indian and we're being murdered by invaders. Birmingham's Muslims cannot be policed due to the clan networks and attack us. We're forcibly deporting criminals and banning Halal. We can ban Kosher to be fair. It's our inheritance and it will not be stolen. Anyone clearly not wanted, leave this island peacefully.
Her name is Joanna. She was born in India but you'd allow her to be British.