I hate all that "young people should leave the UK" talk. Go where? Everywhere you would want to live is undergoing the same problems. And what about the rest of us? We dwindle in number because we're encouraging our sons, daughters and everyone else to run away. So why not just all of us go? Millions of British people just dispersing worldwide, why not? Why not follow this notion that young people should flee the country to its conclusion? 50 million of us just dispersing around the world, becoming the very problem to others that we bemoan ourselves. This Hitchens style doomerism makes me puke, frankly. Stay and fight, anything else is cowardice.
Forgetting what the two fat headed keyboard warriors wrote about me there's something sad about encouraging young people to leave the UK.
I have extended family who have left the UK for New Zealand, Canada and Australia. They left their parents who have now only seen their grandchildren a handful of times and in some cases they're too old to make such a massive flight to the Southern Hemisphere. I also appreciate having family in the UK, even more so as I get older. That's something to ponder on; the break up of families...and wouldn't we be as guilty as those seeking to enter the UK? Colonising a country that isn't ours by birth nor tradition?
It's very sad, but unfortunately inevitable. You must pray that the Antipodes or Canada will provide succour to those displaced. I fear that they won't.
"I will wait". I don't think such a smug and arrogant cliche deserves a response. And you've clearly chosen the "run away" option so what's the point of trying to engage you in a good faith argument?
We should not leave. We should push the invaders back into the sea. Along with the politicians and pundits who let them in. And we need to do it fast, before we are outnumbered.
The middle class are starting to feel the pain the working class have been feeling for years. The middle class are also a vanishing group. They are not needed and they won’t get in the way. Many of them will join in.
Butlins was just the trial run. Travel all round the coast of Britain and you will see mile after mile of holiday caravan sites, many of them looking like prison camps, and all of them becoming shanty towns.
Well as Sir John 'Pasha' Glubb predicted in his 1975 essay 'The Fate of Empires' things always get worse before they get better and we still have some way to go before we hit rock bottom but the direction of travel is there for all to see.
Its a pity our useless incompetent politicians are blind to this glaring truth and are like Nero fiddling while Rome burnt to the ground.
For those unfamiliar with Glubb he looked back over 2000 years and analysed that nations last around 250 years rising, plateauing and declining in six stages.
The final stage 'The Age of Decadence' which we are in is typified by - defensiveness, pessimism, materialism,frivolity,an influx of foreigners, huge increases in welfare and weakening of religion.
Can anyone doubt we live in The Age of Decadence?
There is no cure as Glubb says at the start of his essay the only lessons of history is that we never learn from it.
So things will first get much worse before they get better under a new type and breed of leader and hopefully those who support these six demands to improve our governance and democracy that turns our politicians into our servants instead of our Masters.
"There’s just no reason for young people to stay in Britain."
And go where, exactly? The EU is collapsing just as quickly, and few Britons are eligible to emigrate to the US. Canada and Australia are in free fall right beside the UK.
Your problems started when you allowed the government to seize all your firearms. Now you're truly screwed. Ask the Americans to air-drop a few hundred thousand AR-15s and maybe you can save your country from certain doom.
If we native British don't learn to work together and get properly organised - many of us (myself included) will have to get right out of our 'comfort zones' - we will be a true dwindling minority in 10, 15 years. Everything is possible. But the next 5-10 years will be crucial. Things could yet fall apart, very quickly.
I can guess at what you're hinting at. The idea of sacrifice for country didn't take all that long to breed out of so many of us. Not that I blame people for that particularly.
You can see tent encampments already in central London. There's one on the central reservation of the Euston Road, by the junction with Tottenham Court Road, opposite Warren Street tube. Kerp your eyes peeled and you can also spot small scale 'informal settlements' at points along the North Circular, typically beneath flyovers and around junctions.
While mass immigration has nade the issue a lot worse the real villains in this are the central banks, zero interest rstes printing mobey that led to runaway housing inflation.
I noticed one this week between the Westfield shopping centre and the Westway in London next to the railway line, when I was stuck in traffic next to it. Couldn't believe my eyes.
Lots of people in Cornwall live in vans and tents permanently(or caravans in the winter) because of the acute shortage of rental accommodation. Many properties are second homes or holiday lets and wages are so low here, people are desperate. If they own their own homes, many young people move from them to campsites over the summer months so that they can let out their homes as Air B & B's to make ends meet.
England is the land of the English folk. It is their inheritance. It has been handed down for hundreds of generations to English men and women. Now we have the post war cult of liberalism and the good English folk have given their rightful inheritance away to foreign grifters. Pathetic and sad.
«Millions of us are only one redundancy or a divorce away from destitution.»
The english have been voting for thatcherism since Thatcher and Blair and that is how thatcherism is supposed to work: losers must lose just as winners (property owners, finance executives, tech investors, ...) must win.
«By importing millions of people, successive governments have fed the social contract into the shredder and made our own people compete for scraps while taxes destroy native wealth.»
The social contract of thatcherism is that incumbents will make huge tax-free work-free gains from property and until 2022 it has been kept (despite 2-3 wobbles) making millions of families much richer thanks to property-based redistribution from the lower classes.
«bought his council house in Devon in the early 80s for £17,000. When it was valued at £80,000 in 1989, he sold up and used the equity to put towards a £135,000 fisherman’s cottage in St Mawes. Now it’s valued at £1.1m. “I was very grateful to Margaret Thatcher,” he said.»
«Certainly, we overstretched ourselves when we bought our lovely period home for £419,000 in 2002. But with mortgage companies practically throwing loans at us in a rising property market, we slept soundly at night, smug in the knowledge the house was making us money. [...] The valuer had barely been in the house for five minutes yet we were able to borrow a further £80,000. [...] Whenever we overspent we just remortgaged without comprehending the consequences of taking yet more equity out of the property. [...] In our defence, we weren’t spending the money on expensive designer clothes, luxurious holidays or flash cars. Much of it was going on school fees and upkeep of the house. By the beginning of 2008 we had remortgaged three times»
«we will see these caravan parks becoming shanty towns. You can expect to see them popping up all around the M25. We're developing our very own trailer park underclass - and it won't exclusively be migrants.»
It already exists and plenty of working underclass people (in victorian times known as "the residuum") live 2-4-8 to a room, or in sheds, in tent encampments.
Slums are nothing new and and are a traditional part of english culture (east London, Gorbals, ...). They only disappeared because of to social-democratic policies for some years after WW2, but since Thatcher and Blair those have been gradually abandoned.
Pete, this is the manifestation of your piece of 8 April 'Time to pay the piper'. We are going to see the impoverishment of our nation. The criminals and aliens won't care - they'll move on to another country because they feel no loyalty to anyone but themselves (e.g. the Kinahan cartel). However, what will be left behind will be those who did not have the wherewithall to leave - it is like a vision of The Road/Apocalypse but in this case, it will not be a physical event, it will be the short-term decline of civilisation. It will not be isolated to the UK/Europe. It may well result in the destruction of the world by the use of nuclear weapons by those who have nothing to lose.
You're harsh on Grimsby. The brother got kicked out of London and we sent him to Grimsby with his terrier Trump. He pays 420 quid a month for a 2 bed on a decent estate and just retired alive from Stagecoach. I bought him a third hand Qashqai made in Sunderland to ensure he stays mobile and he can drive to the Yorkshire moors or dales or whatever or go to Lincoln. He avoids Hull, the people there are frightening.
Things would be a whole lot better if people everywhere started telling the government to fk off all the time instead of believing it is God and must be obeyed no matter what.
And stop using the corporations and banks that actually run the place. Local, independent, private.
Cowards run away from the most important country for freedom in the world. Heroes stay and raise strong, smart families to turn it round.
I hate all that "young people should leave the UK" talk. Go where? Everywhere you would want to live is undergoing the same problems. And what about the rest of us? We dwindle in number because we're encouraging our sons, daughters and everyone else to run away. So why not just all of us go? Millions of British people just dispersing worldwide, why not? Why not follow this notion that young people should flee the country to its conclusion? 50 million of us just dispersing around the world, becoming the very problem to others that we bemoan ourselves. This Hitchens style doomerism makes me puke, frankly. Stay and fight, anything else is cowardice.
Forgetting what the two fat headed keyboard warriors wrote about me there's something sad about encouraging young people to leave the UK.
I have extended family who have left the UK for New Zealand, Canada and Australia. They left their parents who have now only seen their grandchildren a handful of times and in some cases they're too old to make such a massive flight to the Southern Hemisphere. I also appreciate having family in the UK, even more so as I get older. That's something to ponder on; the break up of families...and wouldn't we be as guilty as those seeking to enter the UK? Colonising a country that isn't ours by birth nor tradition?
Well, technically New Zealand, Canada and Australia are ours by ancestry and tradition, nevertheless I take your point and agree with it.
It's very sad, but unfortunately inevitable. You must pray that the Antipodes or Canada will provide succour to those displaced. I fear that they won't.
But what does 'stay and fight' mean?
Millions voted for self immolation in July 2024.
If you have anything about you get out, go to the USA, etc and make something of yourself.
You can always come back when the progressive authoritarians disappear and things improve.
So why haven't you left?
I have, I am writing this from SW France, I left in Spring 2024, I knew what was coming. 😜
Once again, what does 'Stay & Fight' actually mean?
I will wait
"I will wait". I don't think such a smug and arrogant cliche deserves a response. And you've clearly chosen the "run away" option so what's the point of trying to engage you in a good faith argument?
I agree but see my comment above.
I'm tired of this lazy scapegoating.
As a not very well off boomer I can say that I haven't profited from anything I haven't worked for.
It's the fault of all voters and governments of the past 40 or so years who failed to see the inevitable results of living beyond our means.
All exacerbated by all the current lunatic obsessions of the elites.
How, exactly, did I, a boomer, create and profit from this? Do stop posting divisive low intellect whinging.
We should not leave. We should push the invaders back into the sea. Along with the politicians and pundits who let them in. And we need to do it fast, before we are outnumbered.
The middle class are starting to feel the pain the working class have been feeling for years. The middle class are also a vanishing group. They are not needed and they won’t get in the way. Many of them will join in.
True. Do it!
How exactly are you going to do that?
The extensive middle class will not help, they will stop you
Butlins was just the trial run. Travel all round the coast of Britain and you will see mile after mile of holiday caravan sites, many of them looking like prison camps, and all of them becoming shanty towns.
Well as Sir John 'Pasha' Glubb predicted in his 1975 essay 'The Fate of Empires' things always get worse before they get better and we still have some way to go before we hit rock bottom but the direction of travel is there for all to see.
Its a pity our useless incompetent politicians are blind to this glaring truth and are like Nero fiddling while Rome burnt to the ground.
For those unfamiliar with Glubb he looked back over 2000 years and analysed that nations last around 250 years rising, plateauing and declining in six stages.
The final stage 'The Age of Decadence' which we are in is typified by - defensiveness, pessimism, materialism,frivolity,an influx of foreigners, huge increases in welfare and weakening of religion.
Can anyone doubt we live in The Age of Decadence?
There is no cure as Glubb says at the start of his essay the only lessons of history is that we never learn from it.
So things will first get much worse before they get better under a new type and breed of leader and hopefully those who support these six demands to improve our governance and democracy that turns our politicians into our servants instead of our Masters.
https://harrogateagenda.org.uk/
If you want to contact me then use the contact link of THA website above.
"There’s just no reason for young people to stay in Britain."
And go where, exactly? The EU is collapsing just as quickly, and few Britons are eligible to emigrate to the US. Canada and Australia are in free fall right beside the UK.
Your problems started when you allowed the government to seize all your firearms. Now you're truly screwed. Ask the Americans to air-drop a few hundred thousand AR-15s and maybe you can save your country from certain doom.
Yeah a shooting war will help!
Lots of kids between 1 and 14 shot to death in Louisiana this very day
I am sorry to hear that but surely the question is why is the government failing us, why is law and order failing us in 2026?
Why are we letting in so many people that hate the UK and us. That hate the UK traditions, culture, history and values?
We need to sort that rather than create militias!
If we native British don't learn to work together and get properly organised - many of us (myself included) will have to get right out of our 'comfort zones' - we will be a true dwindling minority in 10, 15 years. Everything is possible. But the next 5-10 years will be crucial. Things could yet fall apart, very quickly.
It's not going to happen the UK middle class will never put themselves out until they lose their jobs, houses and assets.
This is my fear. So many of Gen X are essentially living the boomer dream and would rather bury their heads in modernity than deal with its pitfalls.
I can guess at what you're hinting at. The idea of sacrifice for country didn't take all that long to breed out of so many of us. Not that I blame people for that particularly.
Good article.
You can see tent encampments already in central London. There's one on the central reservation of the Euston Road, by the junction with Tottenham Court Road, opposite Warren Street tube. Kerp your eyes peeled and you can also spot small scale 'informal settlements' at points along the North Circular, typically beneath flyovers and around junctions.
While mass immigration has nade the issue a lot worse the real villains in this are the central banks, zero interest rstes printing mobey that led to runaway housing inflation.
I noticed one this week between the Westfield shopping centre and the Westway in London next to the railway line, when I was stuck in traffic next to it. Couldn't believe my eyes.
You'll start noticing more and more. Anywhere there's a discreet bit of land.
Why pay hundreds for a hotel room when there' s a free camp ground opposite?
Indeed why pay for anything when you can steal it...
Lots of people in Cornwall live in vans and tents permanently(or caravans in the winter) because of the acute shortage of rental accommodation. Many properties are second homes or holiday lets and wages are so low here, people are desperate. If they own their own homes, many young people move from them to campsites over the summer months so that they can let out their homes as Air B & B's to make ends meet.
Have a cousin who was doing this in a large Yookay tourist city. 50 + years old forced to move back in with mum over the summer.
England is the land of the English folk. It is their inheritance. It has been handed down for hundreds of generations to English men and women. Now we have the post war cult of liberalism and the good English folk have given their rightful inheritance away to foreign grifters. Pathetic and sad.
Does Lisa McKenzie correctly identify the source of her problems?
Or is she one of those ‘modern’ academics (all of them) who are looking to the Greens to solve everything via Islamocommunism?
«Millions of us are only one redundancy or a divorce away from destitution.»
The english have been voting for thatcherism since Thatcher and Blair and that is how thatcherism is supposed to work: losers must lose just as winners (property owners, finance executives, tech investors, ...) must win.
«By importing millions of people, successive governments have fed the social contract into the shredder and made our own people compete for scraps while taxes destroy native wealth.»
The social contract of thatcherism is that incumbents will make huge tax-free work-free gains from property and until 2022 it has been kept (despite 2-3 wobbles) making millions of families much richer thanks to property-based redistribution from the lower classes.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jun/29/how-right-to-buy-ruined-british-housing
«bought his council house in Devon in the early 80s for £17,000. When it was valued at £80,000 in 1989, he sold up and used the equity to put towards a £135,000 fisherman’s cottage in St Mawes. Now it’s valued at £1.1m. “I was very grateful to Margaret Thatcher,” he said.»
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-2105240/Stuck-rent-trap-How-middle-class-family-kept-remortgaging-home-pay-bills-longer-afford-repayments.html
«Certainly, we overstretched ourselves when we bought our lovely period home for £419,000 in 2002. But with mortgage companies practically throwing loans at us in a rising property market, we slept soundly at night, smug in the knowledge the house was making us money. [...] The valuer had barely been in the house for five minutes yet we were able to borrow a further £80,000. [...] Whenever we overspent we just remortgaged without comprehending the consequences of taking yet more equity out of the property. [...] In our defence, we weren’t spending the money on expensive designer clothes, luxurious holidays or flash cars. Much of it was going on school fees and upkeep of the house. By the beginning of 2008 we had remortgaged three times»
«we will see these caravan parks becoming shanty towns. You can expect to see them popping up all around the M25. We're developing our very own trailer park underclass - and it won't exclusively be migrants.»
It already exists and plenty of working underclass people (in victorian times known as "the residuum") live 2-4-8 to a room, or in sheds, in tent encampments.
Slums are nothing new and and are a traditional part of english culture (east London, Gorbals, ...). They only disappeared because of to social-democratic policies for some years after WW2, but since Thatcher and Blair those have been gradually abandoned.
Pete, this is the manifestation of your piece of 8 April 'Time to pay the piper'. We are going to see the impoverishment of our nation. The criminals and aliens won't care - they'll move on to another country because they feel no loyalty to anyone but themselves (e.g. the Kinahan cartel). However, what will be left behind will be those who did not have the wherewithall to leave - it is like a vision of The Road/Apocalypse but in this case, it will not be a physical event, it will be the short-term decline of civilisation. It will not be isolated to the UK/Europe. It may well result in the destruction of the world by the use of nuclear weapons by those who have nothing to lose.
You're harsh on Grimsby. The brother got kicked out of London and we sent him to Grimsby with his terrier Trump. He pays 420 quid a month for a 2 bed on a decent estate and just retired alive from Stagecoach. I bought him a third hand Qashqai made in Sunderland to ensure he stays mobile and he can drive to the Yorkshire moors or dales or whatever or go to Lincoln. He avoids Hull, the people there are frightening.
Things would be a whole lot better if people everywhere started telling the government to fk off all the time instead of believing it is God and must be obeyed no matter what.
And stop using the corporations and banks that actually run the place. Local, independent, private.
Cowards run away from the most important country for freedom in the world. Heroes stay and raise strong, smart families to turn it round.
Peace.
‘Shantytowns’ are new-style ‘Hoovervilles’.
It means a depression is either on the way, or its here.
So very true as we can all see