I hate all that "young people should leave the UK" talk. Go where? Everywhere you would want to live is undergoing the same problems. And what about the rest of us? We dwindle in number because we're encouraging our sons, daughters and everyone else to run away. So why not just all of us go? Millions of British people just dispersing worldwide, why not? Why not follow this notion that young people should flee the country to its conclusion? 50 million of us just dispersing around the world, becoming the very problem to others that we bemoan ourselves. This Hitchens style doomerism makes me puke, frankly. Stay and fight, anything else is cowardice.
Forgetting what the two fat headed keyboard warriors wrote about me there's something sad about encouraging young people to leave the UK.
I have extended family who have left the UK for New Zealand, Canada and Australia. They left their parents who have now only seen their grandchildren a handful of times and in some cases they're too old to make such a massive flight to the Southern Hemisphere. I also appreciate having family in the UK, even more so as I get older. That's something to ponder on; the break up of families...and wouldn't we be as guilty as those seeking to enter the UK? Colonising a country that isn't ours by birth nor tradition?
It's very sad, but unfortunately inevitable. You must pray that the Antipodes or Canada will provide succour to those displaced. I fear that they won't.
"I will wait". I don't think such a smug and arrogant cliche deserves a response. And you've clearly chosen the "run away" option so what's the point of trying to engage you in a good faith argument?
You are so right about these places springing up all over the place.
Some people with a spare bit of land ( a field say) are also setting up static caravans and renting to those who can no longer afford to rent privately and have no hope of ever getting social housing ( being English writes you off the list immediately). My aunt told me of a number of these type of set ups springing up rapidly around the south of England and the crime and anti social behaviour along with masses of pollution and rubbish that accompanies them. Locals who own their homes in local towns and villages are up in arms but can do absolutely nothing to remedy the situation. This is the direct result of unregulated mass immigration for decades now. And not a single politician nor council will touch the situation or address the problem with a 100 feet barge pole. It’s disgusting. People who have worked hard their entire lives and been prudent now have homes they can no longer sell due to these anti social pockets on their doorsteps and as for the younger generations they just have no chance of ever getting on the housing ladder so are either still at home driving older parents mad or flat sharing or worse sofa surfing. And these are people that work btw. The entire country is completely fucked. No other word for it.
Well I’m not a politician or a councillor so I don’t have a lot of sway to do anything. What do you expect me to do? I’m merely making an observation, this is after all what this platform is for!
Is complaining on substack meaningful in any way? If you think it's bad enough, you do something. If you don't do something then it can't be bad enough. Let's see how bad it gets before the online Right decide to something practical.
Lefty? Well my immediate action is to tell you to get fucked. If I were a lefty what the hell am I doing here arguing for more robust action against the Left's ruination of the country?
So my follow up action after telling you to get fucked is to call you a stupid bitch...and then I'm going to do something practical in the real world that doesn't involve keyboard doomers.
Wow, we really don’t need rude cunts like you on the right. Keyboard warrior. You think you can speak like this to a woman do you, I really hope my male family members bump into you at one of your pathetic attempts to be involved in right wing politics.
We should not leave. We should push the invaders back into the sea. Along with the politicians and pundits who let them in. And we need to do it fast, before we are outnumbered.
The middle class are starting to feel the pain the working class have been feeling for years. The middle class are also a vanishing group. They are not needed and they won’t get in the way. Many of them will join in.
Butlins was just the trial run. Travel all round the coast of Britain and you will see mile after mile of holiday caravan sites, many of them looking like prison camps, and all of them becoming shanty towns.
Well as Sir John 'Pasha' Glubb predicted in his 1975 essay 'The Fate of Empires' things always get worse before they get better and we still have some way to go before we hit rock bottom but the direction of travel is there for all to see.
Its a pity our useless incompetent politicians are blind to this glaring truth and are like Nero fiddling while Rome burnt to the ground.
For those unfamiliar with Glubb he looked back over 2000 years and analysed that nations last around 250 years rising, plateauing and declining in six stages.
The final stage 'The Age of Decadence' which we are in is typified by - defensiveness, pessimism, materialism,frivolity,an influx of foreigners, huge increases in welfare and weakening of religion.
Can anyone doubt we live in The Age of Decadence?
There is no cure as Glubb says at the start of his essay the only lessons of history is that we never learn from it.
So things will first get much worse before they get better under a new type and breed of leader and hopefully those who support these six demands to improve our governance and democracy that turns our politicians into our servants instead of our Masters.
"There’s just no reason for young people to stay in Britain."
And go where, exactly? The EU is collapsing just as quickly, and few Britons are eligible to emigrate to the US. Canada and Australia are in free fall right beside the UK.
Your problems started when you allowed the government to seize all your firearms. Now you're truly screwed. Ask the Americans to air-drop a few hundred thousand AR-15s and maybe you can save your country from certain doom.
Euro Americans can’t even save themselves, they forced integration on them at bayonet point, and are already demographically destroyed whilst being on the receiving end of unbelievable levels of interracial violence.
But tbh at least we could at least protect ourselves in our own homes. Every day out on the streets of London I feel as if i am taking a chance on whether i will be mugged or attacked or worse. Ive already had an immigrant expose himself and tell me to “suck his dick” in broad daylight. I can no longer visit certain roads that i used to go to to buy fruit and veg as they have a good market because they are now like walking into downtown Karachi and i get really pestered by the men and spat at by the women, and I’m not exaggerating. It’s a real problem for white women where there are a sudden influx of migrants moved to the area. All of the shops were English and are now all halal food shops or shisha bars. They see the areas as “theirs” and resent us daring to go through them.
If we native British don't learn to work together and get properly organised - many of us (myself included) will have to get right out of our 'comfort zones' - we will be a true dwindling minority in 10, 15 years. Everything is possible. But the next 5-10 years will be crucial. Things could yet fall apart, very quickly.
I can guess at what you're hinting at. The idea of sacrifice for country didn't take all that long to breed out of so many of us. Not that I blame people for that particularly.
You can see tent encampments already in central London. There's one on the central reservation of the Euston Road, by the junction with Tottenham Court Road, opposite Warren Street tube. Kerp your eyes peeled and you can also spot small scale 'informal settlements' at points along the North Circular, typically beneath flyovers and around junctions.
While mass immigration has nade the issue a lot worse the real villains in this are the central banks, zero interest rstes printing mobey that led to runaway housing inflation.
I noticed one this week between the Westfield shopping centre and the Westway in London next to the railway line, when I was stuck in traffic next to it. Couldn't believe my eyes.
Lots of people in Cornwall live in vans and tents permanently(or caravans in the winter) because of the acute shortage of rental accommodation. Many properties are second homes or holiday lets and wages are so low here, people are desperate. If they own their own homes, many young people move from them to campsites over the summer months so that they can let out their homes as Air B & B's to make ends meet.
It's the same overseas too, by all accounts. Certainly Europe, Canada & Australia. Even if by a minor miracle you find yourself living in an island paradise, within 10 years that too will have been enshittified by property speculators looking to make a fast buck from the tirade of emigration.
Meanwhile Blackrock et al will continue hoovering up properties to turn into slum HMOs and lobby their rich cums in Westminster to issue emergency skills visas while the birth rate continues its inexorable decline.
England is the land of the English folk. It is their inheritance. It has been handed down for hundreds of generations to English men and women. Now we have the post war cult of liberalism and the good English folk have given their rightful inheritance away to foreign grifters. Pathetic and sad.
«Millions of us are only one redundancy or a divorce away from destitution.»
The english have been voting for thatcherism since Thatcher and Blair and that is how thatcherism is supposed to work: losers must lose just as winners (property owners, finance executives, tech investors, ...) must win.
«By importing millions of people, successive governments have fed the social contract into the shredder and made our own people compete for scraps while taxes destroy native wealth.»
The social contract of thatcherism is that incumbents will make huge tax-free work-free gains from property and until 2022 it has been kept (despite 2-3 wobbles) making millions of families much richer thanks to property-based redistribution from the lower classes.
«bought his council house in Devon in the early 80s for £17,000. When it was valued at £80,000 in 1989, he sold up and used the equity to put towards a £135,000 fisherman’s cottage in St Mawes. Now it’s valued at £1.1m. “I was very grateful to Margaret Thatcher,” he said.»
«Certainly, we overstretched ourselves when we bought our lovely period home for £419,000 in 2002. But with mortgage companies practically throwing loans at us in a rising property market, we slept soundly at night, smug in the knowledge the house was making us money. [...] The valuer had barely been in the house for five minutes yet we were able to borrow a further £80,000. [...] Whenever we overspent we just remortgaged without comprehending the consequences of taking yet more equity out of the property. [...] In our defence, we weren’t spending the money on expensive designer clothes, luxurious holidays or flash cars. Much of it was going on school fees and upkeep of the house. By the beginning of 2008 we had remortgaged three times»
«we will see these caravan parks becoming shanty towns. You can expect to see them popping up all around the M25. We're developing our very own trailer park underclass - and it won't exclusively be migrants.»
It already exists and plenty of working underclass people (in victorian times known as "the residuum") live 2-4-8 to a room, or in sheds, in tent encampments.
Slums are nothing new and and are a traditional part of english culture (east London, Gorbals, ...). They only disappeared because of to social-democratic policies for some years after WW2, but since Thatcher and Blair those have been gradually abandoned.
Pete, this is the manifestation of your piece of 8 April 'Time to pay the piper'. We are going to see the impoverishment of our nation. The criminals and aliens won't care - they'll move on to another country because they feel no loyalty to anyone but themselves (e.g. the Kinahan cartel). However, what will be left behind will be those who did not have the wherewithall to leave - it is like a vision of The Road/Apocalypse but in this case, it will not be a physical event, it will be the short-term decline of civilisation. It will not be isolated to the UK/Europe. It may well result in the destruction of the world by the use of nuclear weapons by those who have nothing to lose.
You're harsh on Grimsby. The brother got kicked out of London and we sent him to Grimsby with his terrier Trump. He pays 420 quid a month for a 2 bed on a decent estate and just retired alive from Stagecoach. I bought him a third hand Qashqai made in Sunderland to ensure he stays mobile and he can drive to the Yorkshire moors or dales or whatever or go to Lincoln. He avoids Hull, the people there are frightening.
Things would be a whole lot better if people everywhere started telling the government to fk off all the time instead of believing it is God and must be obeyed no matter what.
And stop using the corporations and banks that actually run the place. Local, independent, private.
Cowards run away from the most important country for freedom in the world. Heroes stay and raise strong, smart families to turn it round.
I hate all that "young people should leave the UK" talk. Go where? Everywhere you would want to live is undergoing the same problems. And what about the rest of us? We dwindle in number because we're encouraging our sons, daughters and everyone else to run away. So why not just all of us go? Millions of British people just dispersing worldwide, why not? Why not follow this notion that young people should flee the country to its conclusion? 50 million of us just dispersing around the world, becoming the very problem to others that we bemoan ourselves. This Hitchens style doomerism makes me puke, frankly. Stay and fight, anything else is cowardice.
Forgetting what the two fat headed keyboard warriors wrote about me there's something sad about encouraging young people to leave the UK.
I have extended family who have left the UK for New Zealand, Canada and Australia. They left their parents who have now only seen their grandchildren a handful of times and in some cases they're too old to make such a massive flight to the Southern Hemisphere. I also appreciate having family in the UK, even more so as I get older. That's something to ponder on; the break up of families...and wouldn't we be as guilty as those seeking to enter the UK? Colonising a country that isn't ours by birth nor tradition?
Well, technically New Zealand, Canada and Australia are ours by ancestry and tradition, nevertheless I take your point and agree with it.
It's very sad, but unfortunately inevitable. You must pray that the Antipodes or Canada will provide succour to those displaced. I fear that they won't.
But what does 'stay and fight' mean?
Millions voted for self immolation in July 2024.
If you have anything about you get out, go to the USA, etc and make something of yourself.
You can always come back when the progressive authoritarians disappear and things improve.
So why haven't you left?
I have, I am writing this from SW France, I left in Spring 2024, I knew what was coming. 😜
Once again, what does 'Stay & Fight' actually mean?
I will wait
"I will wait". I don't think such a smug and arrogant cliche deserves a response. And you've clearly chosen the "run away" option so what's the point of trying to engage you in a good faith argument?
I agree but see my comment above.
I'm tired of this lazy scapegoating.
As a not very well off boomer I can say that I haven't profited from anything I haven't worked for.
It's the fault of all voters and governments of the past 40 or so years who failed to see the inevitable results of living beyond our means.
All exacerbated by all the current lunatic obsessions of the elites.
How, exactly, did I, a boomer, create and profit from this? Do stop posting divisive low intellect whinging.
You are so right about these places springing up all over the place.
Some people with a spare bit of land ( a field say) are also setting up static caravans and renting to those who can no longer afford to rent privately and have no hope of ever getting social housing ( being English writes you off the list immediately). My aunt told me of a number of these type of set ups springing up rapidly around the south of England and the crime and anti social behaviour along with masses of pollution and rubbish that accompanies them. Locals who own their homes in local towns and villages are up in arms but can do absolutely nothing to remedy the situation. This is the direct result of unregulated mass immigration for decades now. And not a single politician nor council will touch the situation or address the problem with a 100 feet barge pole. It’s disgusting. People who have worked hard their entire lives and been prudent now have homes they can no longer sell due to these anti social pockets on their doorsteps and as for the younger generations they just have no chance of ever getting on the housing ladder so are either still at home driving older parents mad or flat sharing or worse sofa surfing. And these are people that work btw. The entire country is completely fucked. No other word for it.
So what are you going to do?
Well I’m not a politician or a councillor so I don’t have a lot of sway to do anything. What do you expect me to do? I’m merely making an observation, this is after all what this platform is for!
Is complaining on substack meaningful in any way? If you think it's bad enough, you do something. If you don't do something then it can't be bad enough. Let's see how bad it gets before the online Right decide to something practical.
So what do you suggest lefty?
Lefty? Well my immediate action is to tell you to get fucked. If I were a lefty what the hell am I doing here arguing for more robust action against the Left's ruination of the country?
So my follow up action after telling you to get fucked is to call you a stupid bitch...and then I'm going to do something practical in the real world that doesn't involve keyboard doomers.
Wow, we really don’t need rude cunts like you on the right. Keyboard warrior. You think you can speak like this to a woman do you, I really hope my male family members bump into you at one of your pathetic attempts to be involved in right wing politics.
I think you need to calm down!
We should not leave. We should push the invaders back into the sea. Along with the politicians and pundits who let them in. And we need to do it fast, before we are outnumbered.
The middle class are starting to feel the pain the working class have been feeling for years. The middle class are also a vanishing group. They are not needed and they won’t get in the way. Many of them will join in.
True. Do it!
How exactly are you going to do that?
The extensive middle class will not help, they will stop you
Butlins was just the trial run. Travel all round the coast of Britain and you will see mile after mile of holiday caravan sites, many of them looking like prison camps, and all of them becoming shanty towns.
Well as Sir John 'Pasha' Glubb predicted in his 1975 essay 'The Fate of Empires' things always get worse before they get better and we still have some way to go before we hit rock bottom but the direction of travel is there for all to see.
Its a pity our useless incompetent politicians are blind to this glaring truth and are like Nero fiddling while Rome burnt to the ground.
For those unfamiliar with Glubb he looked back over 2000 years and analysed that nations last around 250 years rising, plateauing and declining in six stages.
The final stage 'The Age of Decadence' which we are in is typified by - defensiveness, pessimism, materialism,frivolity,an influx of foreigners, huge increases in welfare and weakening of religion.
Can anyone doubt we live in The Age of Decadence?
There is no cure as Glubb says at the start of his essay the only lessons of history is that we never learn from it.
So things will first get much worse before they get better under a new type and breed of leader and hopefully those who support these six demands to improve our governance and democracy that turns our politicians into our servants instead of our Masters.
https://harrogateagenda.org.uk/
If you want to contact me then use the contact link of THA website above.
"There’s just no reason for young people to stay in Britain."
And go where, exactly? The EU is collapsing just as quickly, and few Britons are eligible to emigrate to the US. Canada and Australia are in free fall right beside the UK.
Your problems started when you allowed the government to seize all your firearms. Now you're truly screwed. Ask the Americans to air-drop a few hundred thousand AR-15s and maybe you can save your country from certain doom.
Euro Americans can’t even save themselves, they forced integration on them at bayonet point, and are already demographically destroyed whilst being on the receiving end of unbelievable levels of interracial violence.
Yeah a shooting war will help!
Lots of kids between 1 and 14 shot to death in Louisiana this very day
But tbh at least we could at least protect ourselves in our own homes. Every day out on the streets of London I feel as if i am taking a chance on whether i will be mugged or attacked or worse. Ive already had an immigrant expose himself and tell me to “suck his dick” in broad daylight. I can no longer visit certain roads that i used to go to to buy fruit and veg as they have a good market because they are now like walking into downtown Karachi and i get really pestered by the men and spat at by the women, and I’m not exaggerating. It’s a real problem for white women where there are a sudden influx of migrants moved to the area. All of the shops were English and are now all halal food shops or shisha bars. They see the areas as “theirs” and resent us daring to go through them.
I am sorry to hear that but surely the question is why is the government failing us, why is law and order failing us in 2026?
Why are we letting in so many people that hate the UK and us. That hate the UK traditions, culture, history and values?
We need to sort that rather than create militias!
If we native British don't learn to work together and get properly organised - many of us (myself included) will have to get right out of our 'comfort zones' - we will be a true dwindling minority in 10, 15 years. Everything is possible. But the next 5-10 years will be crucial. Things could yet fall apart, very quickly.
I agree @sardonic. Get behind Restore Britain and Rupert Lowe. The only politician to actually do exactly as he says.
It's not going to happen the UK middle class will never put themselves out until they lose their jobs, houses and assets.
This is my fear. So many of Gen X are essentially living the boomer dream and would rather bury their heads in modernity than deal with its pitfalls.
I can guess at what you're hinting at. The idea of sacrifice for country didn't take all that long to breed out of so many of us. Not that I blame people for that particularly.
Good article.
You can see tent encampments already in central London. There's one on the central reservation of the Euston Road, by the junction with Tottenham Court Road, opposite Warren Street tube. Kerp your eyes peeled and you can also spot small scale 'informal settlements' at points along the North Circular, typically beneath flyovers and around junctions.
While mass immigration has nade the issue a lot worse the real villains in this are the central banks, zero interest rstes printing mobey that led to runaway housing inflation.
Not to mention park Lane, right opposite the Dorchester Hotel. Those that camp there are Romanian gypsies and are none too friendly let me tell you!
Why pay hundreds for a hotel room when there' s a free camp ground opposite?
These aren’t the kind of people that pay for anything.
Indeed why pay for anything when you can steal it...
I noticed one this week between the Westfield shopping centre and the Westway in London next to the railway line, when I was stuck in traffic next to it. Couldn't believe my eyes.
You'll start noticing more and more. Anywhere there's a discreet bit of land.
Lots of people in Cornwall live in vans and tents permanently(or caravans in the winter) because of the acute shortage of rental accommodation. Many properties are second homes or holiday lets and wages are so low here, people are desperate. If they own their own homes, many young people move from them to campsites over the summer months so that they can let out their homes as Air B & B's to make ends meet.
Have a cousin who was doing this in a large Yookay tourist city. 50 + years old forced to move back in with mum over the summer.
It's the same overseas too, by all accounts. Certainly Europe, Canada & Australia. Even if by a minor miracle you find yourself living in an island paradise, within 10 years that too will have been enshittified by property speculators looking to make a fast buck from the tirade of emigration.
Meanwhile Blackrock et al will continue hoovering up properties to turn into slum HMOs and lobby their rich cums in Westminster to issue emergency skills visas while the birth rate continues its inexorable decline.
Not just Blackrock. Lloyds banking group is a major landlord.
England is the land of the English folk. It is their inheritance. It has been handed down for hundreds of generations to English men and women. Now we have the post war cult of liberalism and the good English folk have given their rightful inheritance away to foreign grifters. Pathetic and sad.
Does Lisa McKenzie correctly identify the source of her problems?
Or is she one of those ‘modern’ academics (all of them) who are looking to the Greens to solve everything via Islamocommunism?
«Millions of us are only one redundancy or a divorce away from destitution.»
The english have been voting for thatcherism since Thatcher and Blair and that is how thatcherism is supposed to work: losers must lose just as winners (property owners, finance executives, tech investors, ...) must win.
«By importing millions of people, successive governments have fed the social contract into the shredder and made our own people compete for scraps while taxes destroy native wealth.»
The social contract of thatcherism is that incumbents will make huge tax-free work-free gains from property and until 2022 it has been kept (despite 2-3 wobbles) making millions of families much richer thanks to property-based redistribution from the lower classes.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jun/29/how-right-to-buy-ruined-british-housing
«bought his council house in Devon in the early 80s for £17,000. When it was valued at £80,000 in 1989, he sold up and used the equity to put towards a £135,000 fisherman’s cottage in St Mawes. Now it’s valued at £1.1m. “I was very grateful to Margaret Thatcher,” he said.»
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-2105240/Stuck-rent-trap-How-middle-class-family-kept-remortgaging-home-pay-bills-longer-afford-repayments.html
«Certainly, we overstretched ourselves when we bought our lovely period home for £419,000 in 2002. But with mortgage companies practically throwing loans at us in a rising property market, we slept soundly at night, smug in the knowledge the house was making us money. [...] The valuer had barely been in the house for five minutes yet we were able to borrow a further £80,000. [...] Whenever we overspent we just remortgaged without comprehending the consequences of taking yet more equity out of the property. [...] In our defence, we weren’t spending the money on expensive designer clothes, luxurious holidays or flash cars. Much of it was going on school fees and upkeep of the house. By the beginning of 2008 we had remortgaged three times»
«we will see these caravan parks becoming shanty towns. You can expect to see them popping up all around the M25. We're developing our very own trailer park underclass - and it won't exclusively be migrants.»
It already exists and plenty of working underclass people (in victorian times known as "the residuum") live 2-4-8 to a room, or in sheds, in tent encampments.
Slums are nothing new and and are a traditional part of english culture (east London, Gorbals, ...). They only disappeared because of to social-democratic policies for some years after WW2, but since Thatcher and Blair those have been gradually abandoned.
Pete, this is the manifestation of your piece of 8 April 'Time to pay the piper'. We are going to see the impoverishment of our nation. The criminals and aliens won't care - they'll move on to another country because they feel no loyalty to anyone but themselves (e.g. the Kinahan cartel). However, what will be left behind will be those who did not have the wherewithall to leave - it is like a vision of The Road/Apocalypse but in this case, it will not be a physical event, it will be the short-term decline of civilisation. It will not be isolated to the UK/Europe. It may well result in the destruction of the world by the use of nuclear weapons by those who have nothing to lose.
You're harsh on Grimsby. The brother got kicked out of London and we sent him to Grimsby with his terrier Trump. He pays 420 quid a month for a 2 bed on a decent estate and just retired alive from Stagecoach. I bought him a third hand Qashqai made in Sunderland to ensure he stays mobile and he can drive to the Yorkshire moors or dales or whatever or go to Lincoln. He avoids Hull, the people there are frightening.
Things would be a whole lot better if people everywhere started telling the government to fk off all the time instead of believing it is God and must be obeyed no matter what.
And stop using the corporations and banks that actually run the place. Local, independent, private.
Cowards run away from the most important country for freedom in the world. Heroes stay and raise strong, smart families to turn it round.
Peace.