There is a lot to be said about Starmer’s conference speech - which was essentially a declaration of war - in which he said, referring to people of my political persuasion, “If you say or imply people cannot be English or British because of the colour of their skin.
Pete, take care of yourself. They are vindictive in the extreme. In terms of arrest powers, it seemed to go completely unnoticed that in 2005 (IIRC) Labour replaced our Arrestable Offences and Offences with a Power of Arrest with something new. ANY offence now came with general arrest conditions and this particular condition would say Labour through the centre if you cut it in half. Drum roll please….. a police officer could arrest “for the prompt and effective investigation of the offence.” What does that mean? It means whatever the police want it to mean. This was the turning point where the ducks were put in a row for Britain to become a police state.
I understand your distress and the difficulty this brings you in returning to the discomfort of dealing with the problem but you absolutely must. The police are a predatory organisation and any predator trades off their attack on their victim against the risk that they will suffer injury. The best response to any attention from plod is to fight like your life depends on it. Throw the kitchen sink at them if you must. Have someone blur your partner from the video but you absolutely must discredit them with the truth and force them to face the consequences of, particularly, US disapproval. Never try to reason with them nor expect reasonableness.
They also have to apply the necessity test, I’d be very interested to know what their necessity was in this case…i can only think it would be ‘to enter and search without a warrant’ for example to seize digital devices from which the ‘offending’ tweet was sent…if nothing was seized I really am struggling with what necessity criteria was used?
Sending love from the US. You would be welcomed by the majority here. But I’m grateful that you are fighting for England which is where many of my ancestors were from and where we got most of our history and traditions. Praying for you and your wife and your country.
Ah lovely! So your family is pro immigration! What time frame did you begin to make the distinction of instead being a Brit, you became an American? 5, 10 150? Years, is it the place you exit the womb? if you have brown skin what is the time frame?
I've commented elsewhere that criminal law seems to have been turned on its head since I studied it. I never did practise in criminal law but there used to be a right of silence and a right to a legal representative at the police station. Examine the Evidence above says that arrestable offences have been broadened into everything is arrestable, since 2005. How can this be? That is a serious infringement of our liberties given that we are supposed to be free to do anything unless there is a specific law against it. If everything and anything is arrestable by a constable then that is overturning that principle entirely. What happened to wrongful arrest? I haven't watched TV for decades but years ago we all knew our rights simply from watching police dramas on TV! Given the number of arrests for social media posts, an article by a criminal lawyer in TCW or Daily Sceptic explaining the up to date tyranny and how we can defend ourselves if there is a knock on the door by Plod would be very welcome.
On a point of detail it is essential those vulnerable to arrest learn how to record using their mobiles. Mine apparently allows for 10 minutes of filming, which I've never used, so I need to try it out as a potential enemy of the state!
Also I'm very surprised Starmer's Stasi police force allowed you to film in the first place and then to keep it??
I completely agree about Starmer; he seems to have gone full authoritarian dictator on this. How do we fight back? It’s a long time until the next election and we simply can’t wait until then. Too much will have been destroyed by the time it rolls around. Even if Starmer is somehow forced to resign, he’ll just get replaced by another drone, possibly even worse than him. I’m seriously worried about how things are going in my country; it seems we might have reached the point of no return.
As a former colleague of Kier Starmer, apparently I’m now an enemy of the State! And yes, it does work like that ….. you can be invited to the station for an interview. However, if the police thought your meme was an offence on the face of it, there would be no need for an interview. What was to be gained from an interview if posting the meme was sufficient to amount to an arrestable offence? The point was to put you through exactly this ….. and to silence the rest of us!
I think it works. I've always thought of myself as British, but not English, as I'm half Polish on my mother's side. This definition shows why my instincts were correct. So it at least plays well to my inherant confirmation bias!😂
Absolutely correct. I lived in South Africa - born there. Despite my mother's family emigrating from Scotland to South Africa in 1800s - mum was third generation - she was never an African - always regarded as English (to them anyway). Interesting that, despite being 3rd generation, they, still want you out/gone.
It's a definition, Niall, it's purpose is to find an acceptable definition of Englishness and Britishness that *also* foils the edge cases that the Left bring up to derail "gut feeling" definitions.
I think the distinction between being English and being British is very clear.
You can be British if you hold a British passport gained through family immigration however you will never be English.
To be truly English you have to have been born to English parents who can trace their ancestry back at least seven generations and have skin of white pigmentation that burns red under the sun !
Best of luck with it. Evil Stasi Scum in Ireland are attempting to do the exact same with me. My 'crime' is documenting Antifa's systematic stalking & murder-threat campaign against Irish dissidents & the enthusiastic assistance they receive from the State, police and judiciary.
I'll pray for you, but don't expect them to play fair.
'It doesn't work like that' seems to be a Magic Mantra for the modernday Gestapo
This idiot has just challenged the Continuety IRA. To.open warfare and prodistant paramilitary. Fools that openly tell their supporters to arms only goes one way. Seen it happen in Northern Ireland. By pushing people to the wall.
Deleting your previous drivel? I didn't realise that Substack was for comedy writers, but whatever you're smoking, I would cut back a tad.
I am a Scot, born in Scotland, with the fierce combination of Scottish heritage from mining stock on one side and the glorious heritage of Cornish farm-labourers on the other. I fancy this mix gives me much, of which to be proud.
Conference has been the best possible recruiting campaign for Farage and Reform. That Starmer thinks anyone believes a word he says is simply a measure of how personality disordered he is.
Pete, take care of yourself. They are vindictive in the extreme. In terms of arrest powers, it seemed to go completely unnoticed that in 2005 (IIRC) Labour replaced our Arrestable Offences and Offences with a Power of Arrest with something new. ANY offence now came with general arrest conditions and this particular condition would say Labour through the centre if you cut it in half. Drum roll please….. a police officer could arrest “for the prompt and effective investigation of the offence.” What does that mean? It means whatever the police want it to mean. This was the turning point where the ducks were put in a row for Britain to become a police state.
I understand your distress and the difficulty this brings you in returning to the discomfort of dealing with the problem but you absolutely must. The police are a predatory organisation and any predator trades off their attack on their victim against the risk that they will suffer injury. The best response to any attention from plod is to fight like your life depends on it. Throw the kitchen sink at them if you must. Have someone blur your partner from the video but you absolutely must discredit them with the truth and force them to face the consequences of, particularly, US disapproval. Never try to reason with them nor expect reasonableness.
They also have to apply the necessity test, I’d be very interested to know what their necessity was in this case…i can only think it would be ‘to enter and search without a warrant’ for example to seize digital devices from which the ‘offending’ tweet was sent…if nothing was seized I really am struggling with what necessity criteria was used?
This is horrendous, the police appear to have exceeded their authority, I hope you sue them successfully.
Sending love from the US. You would be welcomed by the majority here. But I’m grateful that you are fighting for England which is where many of my ancestors were from and where we got most of our history and traditions. Praying for you and your wife and your country.
Ah lovely! So your family is pro immigration! What time frame did you begin to make the distinction of instead being a Brit, you became an American? 5, 10 150? Years, is it the place you exit the womb? if you have brown skin what is the time frame?
I've commented elsewhere that criminal law seems to have been turned on its head since I studied it. I never did practise in criminal law but there used to be a right of silence and a right to a legal representative at the police station. Examine the Evidence above says that arrestable offences have been broadened into everything is arrestable, since 2005. How can this be? That is a serious infringement of our liberties given that we are supposed to be free to do anything unless there is a specific law against it. If everything and anything is arrestable by a constable then that is overturning that principle entirely. What happened to wrongful arrest? I haven't watched TV for decades but years ago we all knew our rights simply from watching police dramas on TV! Given the number of arrests for social media posts, an article by a criminal lawyer in TCW or Daily Sceptic explaining the up to date tyranny and how we can defend ourselves if there is a knock on the door by Plod would be very welcome.
Look up Stephen Barrett on Substack X or YouTube he has some excellent advice he is a Barrister. And very good.
On a point of detail it is essential those vulnerable to arrest learn how to record using their mobiles. Mine apparently allows for 10 minutes of filming, which I've never used, so I need to try it out as a potential enemy of the state!
Also I'm very surprised Starmer's Stasi police force allowed you to film in the first place and then to keep it??
I completely agree about Starmer; he seems to have gone full authoritarian dictator on this. How do we fight back? It’s a long time until the next election and we simply can’t wait until then. Too much will have been destroyed by the time it rolls around. Even if Starmer is somehow forced to resign, he’ll just get replaced by another drone, possibly even worse than him. I’m seriously worried about how things are going in my country; it seems we might have reached the point of no return.
As a former colleague of Kier Starmer, apparently I’m now an enemy of the State! And yes, it does work like that ….. you can be invited to the station for an interview. However, if the police thought your meme was an offence on the face of it, there would be no need for an interview. What was to be gained from an interview if posting the meme was sufficient to amount to an arrestable offence? The point was to put you through exactly this ….. and to silence the rest of us!
It wasn't his meme - Pete just retweeted it.
The process is the punishment
Yup
I know.
Now I realise why we were ‘ forced’ to read Solzhenitsyn in my 1970s English classes. Little did we know as teenage boys……best wishes Pete.
The authorities have opened a hornets nest and so should be taught a very valuable lesson, sting them.
https://open.substack.com/pub/lawrencegray/p/the-labour-party-conference?utm_source=app-post-stats-page&r=1wzf9l&utm_medium=ios
Here's a useful definition of Englishness and Britishness that I found on The Pimlico Journal.
https://open.substack.com/pub/pimlicojournal/p/defining-britishness?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1uz8q6
I think it works. I've always thought of myself as British, but not English, as I'm half Polish on my mother's side. This definition shows why my instincts were correct. So it at least plays well to my inherant confirmation bias!😂
Anyway, give it a look . . . .
That's a long article to cover the simple fact that in reverse a European white person living in Pakistan can never become a Pakistani - end of!
Absolutely correct. I lived in South Africa - born there. Despite my mother's family emigrating from Scotland to South Africa in 1800s - mum was third generation - she was never an African - always regarded as English (to them anyway). Interesting that, despite being 3rd generation, they, still want you out/gone.
Africans want to run their own countries but sadly the evidence is they are not very good at it.
It's a definition, Niall, it's purpose is to find an acceptable definition of Englishness and Britishness that *also* foils the edge cases that the Left bring up to derail "gut feeling" definitions.
That's what makes it long.
Maybe David but it was still too long IMO!!!
I think the distinction between being English and being British is very clear.
You can be British if you hold a British passport gained through family immigration however you will never be English.
To be truly English you have to have been born to English parents who can trace their ancestry back at least seven generations and have skin of white pigmentation that burns red under the sun !
Best of luck with it. Evil Stasi Scum in Ireland are attempting to do the exact same with me. My 'crime' is documenting Antifa's systematic stalking & murder-threat campaign against Irish dissidents & the enthusiastic assistance they receive from the State, police and judiciary.
I'll pray for you, but don't expect them to play fair.
'It doesn't work like that' seems to be a Magic Mantra for the modernday Gestapo
This idiot has just challenged the Continuety IRA. To.open warfare and prodistant paramilitary. Fools that openly tell their supporters to arms only goes one way. Seen it happen in Northern Ireland. By pushing people to the wall.
There are a sizable number of us in North Britain who want NOTHING to do with "Britishness" or the dreaded "Englishness".
Why are these arbitrary labels afforded such importance?
Deleting your previous drivel? I didn't realise that Substack was for comedy writers, but whatever you're smoking, I would cut back a tad.
I am a Scot, born in Scotland, with the fierce combination of Scottish heritage from mining stock on one side and the glorious heritage of Cornish farm-labourers on the other. I fancy this mix gives me much, of which to be proud.
I fancy that Mr/Ms excalibur has been reading too much Poe. I also think they have stumbled onto the wrong platform with their vituperative tommy-rot.
Do the right thing and return to X, where your nonsense belongs.
Thank you.
With a popped balloon…
Conference has been the best possible recruiting campaign for Farage and Reform. That Starmer thinks anyone believes a word he says is simply a measure of how personality disordered he is.