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Stout Yeoman's avatar

Violent disorder is usually counterproductive in the UK though there is a long history of when it has worked from the St Scholastica Day riots in 1355 to the poll tax riots of 1989 via Broadwater Farm when a police constable was hacked to death in 1985 and that led to investment in the estate where the criminality had coccured.

In recent times, the narratives, the overrarching aims and values involved in media accounts and goverment comments, vary according to who is involved in the violence. Rioters are thugs if white working class, but members of an aggrieved community if non-white and especially if they are muslim.

The triggers for a riot are secondary. They may be real or imagined. In Harehills social services really were removing some children (not that rioting is a justified response to lawful local authority activity) but imaginary in the case of Southport. Yes, there are credulous fools involved but the deeper question is why the false accounts about the identity of the Southport criminal were so readily believed. Fifty years ago news of one individual's killing spree would not have provoked a riot. Today, the belief that an immigrant is involved, even second generation (like the 2005 bombers), is all too probable.

EDL supporters, if that is who the rioters were, are responding after Lee Rigby, the Westmninster Bridge and London Bridge attacks, the Manchester Airport violence, and the recent attack on a soldier. It is these background conditions that need to change, the feeling that nothing does change to the detriment of the indiginous working class. Anger and resentment are permanently present, never far below the surface. It is a failure of politics and politicians that leaves these people feeling abandoned. The blogging, tweeting class can condemn them for their lack of political nous - many are simply uncouth indeed - but one can also sympathise as well as deplore.

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Daz Pearce's avatar

Some good reflections there Pete - thankyou for them.

I often think people put the cart before the horse when it comes to martyrdom/causes etc. What we need to understand before going any further or leaping to conclusions is the mental health (or otherwise) of the perp here, their history of drugs taken (both prescription and recreational).

This is far more relevant than whatever 'cause' or otherwise this was apparently done in the name of. Wacky causes attract wacky people and always have, the myth of 'radicalisation' is largely that, peddled by people who perhaps don't want to confront uncomfortable truths.

The sight of anyone exploiting the grief and misery of people who are clearly in shock, for political purposes, has always struck me as something that should put requisite chills down spines. Perhaps I'm being soft or naive, but there are clearly some twisted people out there who de facto celebrate this sort of thing happening and want to latch onto it. Just sick really.

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