Were he the Tory party leader, Robert Jenrick’s latest article on immigration, rhetorically speaking, would put the Tory party far closer to Rupert Lowe’s position on immigration than that of Nigel Farage.
Pete your output is remarkable. I don't know where you find the energy.
Sadly, you're likely right about the Tories. Empty shape-shifters. It's just what they do.
Giving Reform the benefit of the doubt, and putting aside serious misgivings I have for their outfit, I can see the logic of their approach. Tack to the centre, then quietly go radical once safely in power. Labour does it every time.
But I wonder if things are moving too fast for that now, and the reality outside could overrun this approach.
Received wisdom is that talk of 'mass deportations' will frighten the horses, but at some stage of collapse that will cease to be true.
My town is going down fast now, and I expect it's the same across the country. "A diverse community with high welfare dependence' is I think the approved verbage. Namely, kebab shops galore, empty barbers, and lots of young Muslim men in brand new Range Rovers.
My gut feeling is that the bulk of the voting electorate will only be ready for something like the Homeland Party once they feel actual fear for their physical safely and the safety of their assets.
When (not if) that moment comes is the big question. Out there is too volatile to know.
You're right, and what a pity it is that Jenrick and Lowe plus others cannot band together, make a party and put a line in the sand, saying 'No more'. You'd have to have someone with the brass neck of Trump, the resources of Qatar and access to the Russian army to pull it all back.
But there does need to be a halting, even if we can't deport anybody other than the criminals and rapists.
We also need to see the complete dismantling of Sharia law - I have no idea how that ever took hold - France would not allow it, what were we thinking? Our own laws should always be the absolute defining ones.
And there should be term limits on mayors, if they're not dispensed with completely. Muslim mayors are not acceptable in perpetuity. You know who I'm referring to ...
Great synopsis of Jenrick, Pete. As you say, the diagnosis is there for all to see, but the medicine to cure the problem is nefarious to say the least. Nobody has the answer to cure the illness. Or rather no Party has the stones to administer it....
While very far from trusting the Tories, I really think it is rather churlish to make a point of criticising one of the few Tories willing to talk openly about the problems of mass immigration and multiculturalism. I don't think it is a 'long con' myself. I think he actually cares. But in any case, I feel we ought to give credit where credit is due. We can support Reform while still recognising that real Tories like Jenrick and Ms Braverman still exist.
The truth is, nobody in the political establishment can be trusted anymore. They are controlled, that includes Farage and the Reform goons.
All we have left is ourselves but the British people are too passive and servile to do what is necessary to sweep away the political establishment and start anew.
No political party is going to save our nation now.
Sick of being labelled 'online activist' or 'online right'. Guess you have been reading Matt Goodwin. We are just concerned people who think Reform treated Ruoert Lowe badly, attributing falsehoods to him. Mass remigration will have to occur. Our schools are already ruined by all the new visitors and sexualisation even at primary level. In some London areas only a sprinkling of white British remain. Quite sad.
I disagree with your analysis when it comes to ethno-anarchy. Civil War is more likely when there are two distinct rather than many groups. So the better strategy would be to nation-build with all the non-Muslim groups who just want to get on with life, and isolate Islam.
1) policies published in a manifesto otherwise the House of Lords and the courts can block and frustrate implementation.
2) a large majority in parliament to enact the necessary laws to dispense the medicine (to include repealing existing laws that stand in the way)
3) a police and army capable of enforcing the medicine
The conditions in which 1) leads to 2) and 3) currently do not exist.
By the next election there will likely be even more than the current four Islam MPs in parliament and in councils across England. Labour's response to the balkanisation of society will continue to be appeasement and the supression of free speech with intensified surveillance of opinion and dissent.
Islam's colonisation of Europe continues and political solutions are merely the splutterings of right wing parties. The future on current demographic trends looks like either submission or civil war.
I think the measures you propose are the only type that could restore the country at this late stage of the game. At present we don't have an established political party on offer to implement what has to be done; they would all just guide the ship onto the rocks at varying rates of knots.
If however there were a grass roots movement from the bottom up, one that could nurture and guide a new party into prominence, then we may be in with a sporting chance.
“Online activists”? You’ll anger your following readership like Matt Goodwin did by calling most of his own following “Online right”! Don’t it. Mistake. Big mistake. Huge.
I was more impressed, or maybe have low expectations. Jenrick’s comments are brave by present political standards. And maybe civic nationalism backed is something we can get behind. Problem remains that it becomes a fragile fig-leaf if there is no cultural consensus behind it.
Good content Peter, we're getting our money's worth etc.
Not quite sure what to make of Robert Jenrick, he rather rapidly went from 'Tory Managerialist' to civic Nationalist. Was that genuinely meant or a cynical political calculation?
One of your litmus tests for anybody speaking on an issue is policy...that's a good test of the sincerity of what somebody is saying, surely. It's also why I've never trusted Nigel Farage, who has a soundbite out for you on demand but ask him for a policy with some significant thought or detail in it and...cough, splutter, ahem.
So...we're about to find out if Jenrick is for real or simply orchestrating the latest Madonna-style re-invention by the Tories. I've got a feeling that Badenoch might not make it out of 2025 as leader, but were Jenrick to run again he'd be up against someone from the one-nation/managerialist wing (or worse, the Liberal Democrat wing) of the party this time. It is far from certain that he would win.
Membership of the Tory Party (many of whom have been through the Cameron and May eras) is not membership of the same party 20, 30 or 50 years ago. Genuinely 'right wing' people just don't join them in significant numbers anymore.
The other possibility when Kemi goes is Farage trying it on for a merger, or even just dumping Reform altogether by selling his shares to Zia Yusuf (who presumably would become their new leader?!!) and running in the Tory leadership battle instead. Isn't that what the last 25 years have been about? He never wanted to smash the establishment, he wanted to be one of them.
Sorry Pete, the thought of Yusuf buying Farage out and becoming Reform's leader by default is hilarious. I'll be having a chuckle about that over a drink later on...
Pete your output is remarkable. I don't know where you find the energy.
Sadly, you're likely right about the Tories. Empty shape-shifters. It's just what they do.
Giving Reform the benefit of the doubt, and putting aside serious misgivings I have for their outfit, I can see the logic of their approach. Tack to the centre, then quietly go radical once safely in power. Labour does it every time.
But I wonder if things are moving too fast for that now, and the reality outside could overrun this approach.
Received wisdom is that talk of 'mass deportations' will frighten the horses, but at some stage of collapse that will cease to be true.
My town is going down fast now, and I expect it's the same across the country. "A diverse community with high welfare dependence' is I think the approved verbage. Namely, kebab shops galore, empty barbers, and lots of young Muslim men in brand new Range Rovers.
My gut feeling is that the bulk of the voting electorate will only be ready for something like the Homeland Party once they feel actual fear for their physical safely and the safety of their assets.
When (not if) that moment comes is the big question. Out there is too volatile to know.
You're right, and what a pity it is that Jenrick and Lowe plus others cannot band together, make a party and put a line in the sand, saying 'No more'. You'd have to have someone with the brass neck of Trump, the resources of Qatar and access to the Russian army to pull it all back.
But there does need to be a halting, even if we can't deport anybody other than the criminals and rapists.
We also need to see the complete dismantling of Sharia law - I have no idea how that ever took hold - France would not allow it, what were we thinking? Our own laws should always be the absolute defining ones.
And there should be term limits on mayors, if they're not dispensed with completely. Muslim mayors are not acceptable in perpetuity. You know who I'm referring to ...
All those little sayings you were taught at school keep coming back to resonate … ‘ birds of a feather flock together’ ..
‘ we are all equal under the law’
‘no one is above the law’ etc etc
I’m sure there are plenty of others to shake your head at…
Mind you, ‘grow a spine’ should make a comeback.
Great synopsis of Jenrick, Pete. As you say, the diagnosis is there for all to see, but the medicine to cure the problem is nefarious to say the least. Nobody has the answer to cure the illness. Or rather no Party has the stones to administer it....
While very far from trusting the Tories, I really think it is rather churlish to make a point of criticising one of the few Tories willing to talk openly about the problems of mass immigration and multiculturalism. I don't think it is a 'long con' myself. I think he actually cares. But in any case, I feel we ought to give credit where credit is due. We can support Reform while still recognising that real Tories like Jenrick and Ms Braverman still exist.
Agree. Maybe some competition between the two parties will at least get people talking - at least these issues can be discussed openly.
After 14 years of promises and the exact opposite occurring, any trust in the Tory’s dissipated years ago.
The hierarchy of Labour and Tory’s is interchangeable and Reform are following the same model.
I remember watching Nigel the day the result of the Brexit referendum occurred. He looked scared to death.
It should have been his greatest achievement.
I could never understand it.
I had tears of joy rolling down my face.
Older people had voted to leave the EU despite the dire warnings and open threats of the EU and MSM. That showed the guts of British people.
They need a party to follow.
Ben Habib has promised just such a party probably backed financially by Elon Musk.
The viscousness of the coming political fight is hard to describe.
But there is hope.
Though Nigel isn’t a part of it.
The truth is, nobody in the political establishment can be trusted anymore. They are controlled, that includes Farage and the Reform goons.
All we have left is ourselves but the British people are too passive and servile to do what is necessary to sweep away the political establishment and start anew.
No political party is going to save our nation now.
Sick of being labelled 'online activist' or 'online right'. Guess you have been reading Matt Goodwin. We are just concerned people who think Reform treated Ruoert Lowe badly, attributing falsehoods to him. Mass remigration will have to occur. Our schools are already ruined by all the new visitors and sexualisation even at primary level. In some London areas only a sprinkling of white British remain. Quite sad.
I disagree with your analysis when it comes to ethno-anarchy. Civil War is more likely when there are two distinct rather than many groups. So the better strategy would be to nation-build with all the non-Muslim groups who just want to get on with life, and isolate Islam.
See Collier & Hoeffler. I think this is the one:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3488799
Dispensing medicine requires
1) policies published in a manifesto otherwise the House of Lords and the courts can block and frustrate implementation.
2) a large majority in parliament to enact the necessary laws to dispense the medicine (to include repealing existing laws that stand in the way)
3) a police and army capable of enforcing the medicine
The conditions in which 1) leads to 2) and 3) currently do not exist.
By the next election there will likely be even more than the current four Islam MPs in parliament and in councils across England. Labour's response to the balkanisation of society will continue to be appeasement and the supression of free speech with intensified surveillance of opinion and dissent.
Islam's colonisation of Europe continues and political solutions are merely the splutterings of right wing parties. The future on current demographic trends looks like either submission or civil war.
So what’s the answer for the Tory’s?
Let’s make a few predictions and see where we end up.
Here’s my predictions - quite colourful but based on a few truths.
A new people’s party will emerge from the fall out in Reform.
Reform will survive, but mortally wounded.
Farage will join the Tories (as leader of course).
Labour will be as decimated as the Tories were - but the voters won’t abstain - unlike Tory voters did.
Where do the dissatisfied Labour voters go?
Ex Labour supporters will join a people’s party - they hate Farage so no new home there.
Lib Dem’s for some, Greens for others, but insignificant.
UKIP may grow a little but without a massive injection of Elon Musk size finances, they will remain in the shadows.
A people party will mop up Labour voters as the economy stagnates and the fear of significant inroads by Muslim parties becomes a reality.
A peoples party faces hostility from MSM but with big names joining and significant financial backing they will be massively backed by voters.
Here’s hoping.
I think the measures you propose are the only type that could restore the country at this late stage of the game. At present we don't have an established political party on offer to implement what has to be done; they would all just guide the ship onto the rocks at varying rates of knots.
If however there were a grass roots movement from the bottom up, one that could nurture and guide a new party into prominence, then we may be in with a sporting chance.
“Online activists”? You’ll anger your following readership like Matt Goodwin did by calling most of his own following “Online right”! Don’t it. Mistake. Big mistake. Huge.
You either live with your own people or you don’t, anything else is cope.
Civil war is the answer. And it's going to fucking suck
I was more impressed, or maybe have low expectations. Jenrick’s comments are brave by present political standards. And maybe civic nationalism backed is something we can get behind. Problem remains that it becomes a fragile fig-leaf if there is no cultural consensus behind it.
Good content Peter, we're getting our money's worth etc.
Not quite sure what to make of Robert Jenrick, he rather rapidly went from 'Tory Managerialist' to civic Nationalist. Was that genuinely meant or a cynical political calculation?
One of your litmus tests for anybody speaking on an issue is policy...that's a good test of the sincerity of what somebody is saying, surely. It's also why I've never trusted Nigel Farage, who has a soundbite out for you on demand but ask him for a policy with some significant thought or detail in it and...cough, splutter, ahem.
So...we're about to find out if Jenrick is for real or simply orchestrating the latest Madonna-style re-invention by the Tories. I've got a feeling that Badenoch might not make it out of 2025 as leader, but were Jenrick to run again he'd be up against someone from the one-nation/managerialist wing (or worse, the Liberal Democrat wing) of the party this time. It is far from certain that he would win.
Membership of the Tory Party (many of whom have been through the Cameron and May eras) is not membership of the same party 20, 30 or 50 years ago. Genuinely 'right wing' people just don't join them in significant numbers anymore.
The other possibility when Kemi goes is Farage trying it on for a merger, or even just dumping Reform altogether by selling his shares to Zia Yusuf (who presumably would become their new leader?!!) and running in the Tory leadership battle instead. Isn't that what the last 25 years have been about? He never wanted to smash the establishment, he wanted to be one of them.
Sorry Pete, the thought of Yusuf buying Farage out and becoming Reform's leader by default is hilarious. I'll be having a chuckle about that over a drink later on...