I would have to (politely) disagree. They are not thickos, and are more committed and intelligent than most politicians, and they certainly say all the right things for the many people who are inclined to support them.
However, I do think they (and that includes Lowe) really do have to concentrate on the objective they are trying to achieve, and realise that this is not something that is going to happen in the next year. Lowe, in particular, seems to have thrown himself into too many issues and committees that it is not surprising that that Restore Britain is plundering daily into stupid mistakes.
And the younger contingent have yet to learn the politicians craft of talking out of both sides of their mouths at the same time. If they are in it for the long haul, and it will take several years, then now is the time that they need to sit down and work out a strategy with goals and objectives. This is Business Planning 101, and I don't get the feeling that they have one. It's the Silly Season, so stop going on television, get together, and work out a plan that shows what you are trying to achieve and when.
And stop talking to journalists who just want to show you up as a thicko.
Binary thinking is lazy thinking. The world is far more complex than any 'I don't care' sort of position can adequately cover. This is precisely what they got wrong about the rape gangs, and why it's going to bite them on the arse. Simply evicting every Muslim from the country won't solve the problem, when at the root of it is an establishment that has tied itself up in knots by treating children as adults.
And here, the same goes for Israel. Modad's argument (when he's not simply spouting off about the Talmud being Satanic) is that Israel could have handled the situation better. I'm sure it could. As the old saying goes, hindsight is always 20:20. But it doesn't follow that the Palestinians are being 'ethnically cleansed', as he puts it.
And there's a further problem with all of this, in that many in Restore genuinely ARE antisemitic, and appear to be warping others with their tractor beam of nationalistic claptrap. Look at John Cleese tweeting, in response to a Telegraph article about BRITISH Jews, "You shouldn't have a British newspaper editor who is such a propagandist for a foreign country. It's THIS country that he needs to be concerned about." Well, John, it's THIS country that the article is about!
"Simply evicting every Muslim from the country won't solve the problem"
Have they proposed that? I thought that they just wanted to deport the actual rapists/sexual torturers and clan members who must have known what was going on. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
"and why it's going to bite them on the arse. "
Exactly how is it going to do that?'
"I don't care'"
I thought that was his response to accusations of racism or Islamophobia rather than a declaration of general uninterest.
There is a deeper problem here which I'm sure hasn't evaded sensible discussion: you can eject every muslim from the country but Islam is about deception to achieve dominance so, entirely predictably, as Islam is now well established here, you will inevitably drive much of it underground, making the job of MI5 etc much harder, if not impossible.
The genie escaped the bottle many years ago, as I noted at the time, and it will never be recaptured.
So anyone who disagrees with you is a “thicko”? That is the problem with the internet: self-proclaimed experts talking down to everyone else while pushing the same old agenda that anyone who has watched politics for more than five minutes can see straight through.
Oh God. Like Islamophobe, Fascist, Transphobe, Xenophobe it's a word intended to shut down debate used by people who know they can't win an argument using reason and evidence.
But it also makes absolutely no sense:
1) Most speakers of Semitic languages are Muslims;
2) Only a minority of Jews have Modern Hebrew as their first language, and
3) The historic language of the Ashkenazi Jews who established Israel was Yiddish, which is a Germanic language.
I agree with the thrust of your argument, Pete, but I wouldn't go so far as to say they are thick. That said, there are no overt signals they eat as much fish as Jeeves and consequently fizz with intelligence.
If the mantra is "I don't care" then they should stick with it. Lowe obviously cares about the anti-Semitic hoo-ha and is now unable to simply say he doesn't care.
Downes meanwhile is stating his only concern is the future of the English/British, in which case he shouldn't have given ammunition to the hostile media to disingenuously proclaim Restore a Vipers nest of anti-Semites.
Restore has already hoovered up the Vipers nest element of the "right-wing," so to mention anything to do with Israel / palestinians is as counter-productive as it is witless. The millions within Middle England represent the rump capable of electing a Restore government, and the Middle English, whilst having no real interest or opinion on Jews, can certainly see the the impact of Afro-Islam all around them.
The only way to deal with a hostile media is to take part in televised interviews and thoroughly yet calmly/politely dismantle the opposition, including the interviewer. From what I have seen to date this is a strength sadly lacking in the Restore front line.
We can only hope they raise their intellectual game. The key to changing peoples minds is to publicly expose the hostiles as being the very thing they accuse Restore of. Lowe's recent interview with the ghastly Nick Robinson is a case in point. Robinson asked for evidence of the Islamisation of Britain. Lowe, when presented with an open goal, hubristically puffed himself up and miskicked the ball miles adrift. This failure to articulate the obvious then enabled the BBC to vaingloriously publish the interview as though it had given Lowe a good spanking. They didn't, but Lowe came nowhere near to giving them one.
I just think that Rupert Lowe and his sidekicks have only just entered the Patriot Arena and that's why they say things wrong, miss points and genuinely get things muddled up, like Britain/England etc, So although I believe their intentions are good they need to learn what it's all about because there are many bad actors waiting to seize on every opportunity to undermine the whole movement as we are seeing daily.
There is indeed, No Fixing Stupid. And you are right to call out Lowe’s opening riposte as disingenuous.
As you say, inventing policy on the fly to try to wiggle out of sticky situations (of their own making) is not clever. It is the opposite of clever. It is retarded.
Pandering? That’s it? That’s your story in a nutshell? I agreed with EVERYTHING in that statement as I do with almost all of their actual statements. Restore are betting on migration worries rising and Islamic terror increasing so that they see plenty of folks moving more in their direction of thought and that’s a bet they will probably win. I really don’t get the lazy smearing online at all. Where’s the meat in this story, you just drew my attention to another statement by them I liked.
The pinnacle of naivety is believing that had Restore only published a robust foreign policy document about their position on the Middle East, they could’ve avoided the accusations of anti-Semitism. Pull the other one, Pete. Nigel Farage bans former BNP members from his party, publicly disavows Tommy Robinson and all his supporters, and his right-hand man is literally a brown Muslim, and they still call him a racist. What an absolute plonker you are.
I would have to (politely) disagree. They are not thickos, and are more committed and intelligent than most politicians, and they certainly say all the right things for the many people who are inclined to support them.
However, I do think they (and that includes Lowe) really do have to concentrate on the objective they are trying to achieve, and realise that this is not something that is going to happen in the next year. Lowe, in particular, seems to have thrown himself into too many issues and committees that it is not surprising that that Restore Britain is plundering daily into stupid mistakes.
And the younger contingent have yet to learn the politicians craft of talking out of both sides of their mouths at the same time. If they are in it for the long haul, and it will take several years, then now is the time that they need to sit down and work out a strategy with goals and objectives. This is Business Planning 101, and I don't get the feeling that they have one. It's the Silly Season, so stop going on television, get together, and work out a plan that shows what you are trying to achieve and when.
And stop talking to journalists who just want to show you up as a thicko.
Thick? Perhaps. Lazy? Absolutely.
Binary thinking is lazy thinking. The world is far more complex than any 'I don't care' sort of position can adequately cover. This is precisely what they got wrong about the rape gangs, and why it's going to bite them on the arse. Simply evicting every Muslim from the country won't solve the problem, when at the root of it is an establishment that has tied itself up in knots by treating children as adults.
And here, the same goes for Israel. Modad's argument (when he's not simply spouting off about the Talmud being Satanic) is that Israel could have handled the situation better. I'm sure it could. As the old saying goes, hindsight is always 20:20. But it doesn't follow that the Palestinians are being 'ethnically cleansed', as he puts it.
And there's a further problem with all of this, in that many in Restore genuinely ARE antisemitic, and appear to be warping others with their tractor beam of nationalistic claptrap. Look at John Cleese tweeting, in response to a Telegraph article about BRITISH Jews, "You shouldn't have a British newspaper editor who is such a propagandist for a foreign country. It's THIS country that he needs to be concerned about." Well, John, it's THIS country that the article is about!
Nuance, nuance, nuance.
"Simply evicting every Muslim from the country won't solve the problem"
Have they proposed that? I thought that they just wanted to deport the actual rapists/sexual torturers and clan members who must have known what was going on. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
"and why it's going to bite them on the arse. "
Exactly how is it going to do that?'
"I don't care'"
I thought that was his response to accusations of racism or Islamophobia rather than a declaration of general uninterest.
There is a deeper problem here which I'm sure hasn't evaded sensible discussion: you can eject every muslim from the country but Islam is about deception to achieve dominance so, entirely predictably, as Islam is now well established here, you will inevitably drive much of it underground, making the job of MI5 etc much harder, if not impossible.
The genie escaped the bottle many years ago, as I noted at the time, and it will never be recaptured.
So anyone who disagrees with you is a “thicko”? That is the problem with the internet: self-proclaimed experts talking down to everyone else while pushing the same old agenda that anyone who has watched politics for more than five minutes can see straight through.
> "Why does criticising Israel lead to a career ending campaign?". The short answer is... it doesn't.
Hmm Jezza Corbyn strongly disagrees!
When MSM block Restore from appearing and refuse to talk about them unless forced to do so what can Restore do to put themselves in public view?
Say something a little controversial?
The media come rushing in expecting a ‘gotcha’ moment (as they are exceptionally clever people).
Suddenly Restore are front page(ish).
Sometimes it’s not a bad thing to be dumb, especially if the electorate are just as dumb - and agree with them.
Restore Britain is actually committed to restoring Britain. Imagine that.
"Anti-Semite"
Oh God. Like Islamophobe, Fascist, Transphobe, Xenophobe it's a word intended to shut down debate used by people who know they can't win an argument using reason and evidence.
But it also makes absolutely no sense:
1) Most speakers of Semitic languages are Muslims;
2) Only a minority of Jews have Modern Hebrew as their first language, and
3) The historic language of the Ashkenazi Jews who established Israel was Yiddish, which is a Germanic language.
I agree with the thrust of your argument, Pete, but I wouldn't go so far as to say they are thick. That said, there are no overt signals they eat as much fish as Jeeves and consequently fizz with intelligence.
If the mantra is "I don't care" then they should stick with it. Lowe obviously cares about the anti-Semitic hoo-ha and is now unable to simply say he doesn't care.
Downes meanwhile is stating his only concern is the future of the English/British, in which case he shouldn't have given ammunition to the hostile media to disingenuously proclaim Restore a Vipers nest of anti-Semites.
Restore has already hoovered up the Vipers nest element of the "right-wing," so to mention anything to do with Israel / palestinians is as counter-productive as it is witless. The millions within Middle England represent the rump capable of electing a Restore government, and the Middle English, whilst having no real interest or opinion on Jews, can certainly see the the impact of Afro-Islam all around them.
The only way to deal with a hostile media is to take part in televised interviews and thoroughly yet calmly/politely dismantle the opposition, including the interviewer. From what I have seen to date this is a strength sadly lacking in the Restore front line.
We can only hope they raise their intellectual game. The key to changing peoples minds is to publicly expose the hostiles as being the very thing they accuse Restore of. Lowe's recent interview with the ghastly Nick Robinson is a case in point. Robinson asked for evidence of the Islamisation of Britain. Lowe, when presented with an open goal, hubristically puffed himself up and miskicked the ball miles adrift. This failure to articulate the obvious then enabled the BBC to vaingloriously publish the interview as though it had given Lowe a good spanking. They didn't, but Lowe came nowhere near to giving them one.
I just think that Rupert Lowe and his sidekicks have only just entered the Patriot Arena and that's why they say things wrong, miss points and genuinely get things muddled up, like Britain/England etc, So although I believe their intentions are good they need to learn what it's all about because there are many bad actors waiting to seize on every opportunity to undermine the whole movement as we are seeing daily.
There is indeed, No Fixing Stupid. And you are right to call out Lowe’s opening riposte as disingenuous.
As you say, inventing policy on the fly to try to wiggle out of sticky situations (of their own making) is not clever. It is the opposite of clever. It is retarded.
Oy vey shut it down, but in essay form.
Pandering? That’s it? That’s your story in a nutshell? I agreed with EVERYTHING in that statement as I do with almost all of their actual statements. Restore are betting on migration worries rising and Islamic terror increasing so that they see plenty of folks moving more in their direction of thought and that’s a bet they will probably win. I really don’t get the lazy smearing online at all. Where’s the meat in this story, you just drew my attention to another statement by them I liked.
The pinnacle of naivety is believing that had Restore only published a robust foreign policy document about their position on the Middle East, they could’ve avoided the accusations of anti-Semitism. Pull the other one, Pete. Nigel Farage bans former BNP members from his party, publicly disavows Tommy Robinson and all his supporters, and his right-hand man is literally a brown Muslim, and they still call him a racist. What an absolute plonker you are.
You are quite generous. Providing a plausible and persuasive vehicle for reversing Britain’s decline, this is not.
The sad reality is in 30 years the 'Right' in British politics has not got its act together failing to dot every i and cross every t.
Yet it is possible as one independent minded man living in Yorkshire has proved who goes by the name of Pete North.
> I remember a time when the Conservative party wasn't socialist and the Labour party actually gave a tup'ny fuck about the working class.
Ah, yes, 1926. Fond memories.