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Daz Pearce's avatar

There's something highly amusing about listening to a Nigerian woman lecturing us all on what it means to be British. I couldn't help but laugh my head off.

All that said the Tory Party is irreconcilable, the two factions are so far apart not even the prospect of power is going to force some sort of internal armistice.

Many of us are waiting for the moment Reform either implodes or Nige pulls his usual stroke and decides to flat pack them. They won't get to 2029 in one piece, absolutely no chance.

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Niall Warry's avatar

Spot on!

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Bettina's avatar

Just repeal the enabling legislation and the ECHR has no effect in English law. End of. Just ignore.

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Flewthecoop's avatar

Brilliant piece, thanks.

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The Dilettante Polymath's avatar

Hopefully……..

…….and I voted for them in local and general elections 1984 to 2019.

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Laura Nelson's avatar

Once again, Pete, you've hit the nail on the head.

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Hellish 2050's avatar

Farage / Reform are beatable. The Conservatives need to be courageous and honest. It is achievable:

https://hellish2050.substack.com/p/can-we-persuade-nigel-farage-to-wake

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Laura Nelson's avatar

As we stand now, that outcome would be awful - we'd end up with no overall control of Parliament. I hope that by 2029 (& Starmer is unlikely to go early) there will be more considered and thought-through policies by Reform. The country is crying out for a change from the old 'two party' system, but not to the disadvantage of us as a country and its government.

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Gareth's avatar

There are two camps in this country where interrnational law is concerned.

I think most people assume that Britain is governed by the British government. When things go wrong, they expect the government to "do something". Then there is a chattering class that exhibits that "slavish devotion to the writ of foreign courts." It seems to have become a religion for some people.

No doubt there is a sensible middle ground between these two views, but arguments of this kind rarely end up with a compromise. The people who insist that only foreign courts can protect us from being locked up for expressing an opinion (...oh wait) will not give an inch. I suspect we will end up with a law that declares that Britain is a sovereign state and that any judge obeying the dictates of a foreign court will be prosecuted for treason.

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Niall Warry's avatar

As I've often said on your father's blog Turbulent Times there is a complete absence of grown ups with guts in Westminster to properly research in detail and analyse an issue and then sell the conclusion and win the argument however much flak the solution gets from the opposition and media in general.

The very simple and basic fact is that the solutions to our now ingrained and serious problems can only be solved by tough policies that will be strongly opposed by the left woke thinkers in Labour, which is most of them, all the fence sitters in the Lib Dems and the majority 'Wets' in the Conservatives.

What the incompetents in the three main parties fail to register is that the majority of the public are crying out for firm fair policies. This brings us to Reform UK which most of the time is saying the right things, with the occasional reverse gear if the opposition gets to hot, but under the charlatan Farage has as much chance of forming a coherent and competent government as Katie Hopkins.

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Martin T's avatar

Wise advice. I think the ECHR has become a bit of a virility symbol rather like leaving the EU, nice idea but you need a plan for what to do next. We should also not be too nostalgic about our ancient liberties serving us so well. Imagine the boot on the other foot and no ECHR and a Red-Green Alliance running Britain in the future …

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Paul Jackson's avatar

You started well but then descended into a defence of the ECHR.

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Niall Warry's avatar

I see Pete's analysis of the ECHR as don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

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Paul Jackson's avatar

The problem is whether or not the baby is worthy of survival. I imagine you know which side I would come down on.

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Niall Warry's avatar

I don't know if you have read all Pete's analysis on the ECHR which amounts to at least six or more posts and the conclusion he has come to is that our sovereign government can achieve what it wants without completely leaving the ECHR or spending a huge amount of time and effort which would be fraught with many trip wires and obstacles.

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Paul Jackson's avatar

It doesn’t need to be difficult to leave and we should just do it. The ECHR has no real way of enforcing its decisions other than small fines, the French have simply ignored them when they deemed it appropriate to do so. It’s just another layer of Eurocrats insulated from the realities of the undeclared war which is going on in Europe. They’re about as useful as the EU council and the EU commission. Decisions on who may be allowed to enter the country and remain should be the province of the British legal system with the agreement and permission of the British people.

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Paul Jackson's avatar

You started well but then descended into a defence of the ECHR.

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soapdodger 🪿's avatar

We’re 4 years out from the next General Election. Enough time for people who have now jumped to Reform to consider jumping again to what the TV news will tell them is a proper party.

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Hellish 2050's avatar

If the Tories want to win back votes from Reform, they will have to identify the chief weakness of Refom.

I have identified the key weakness. See:

Can the Tories wake up and beat Reform?

Tories have blundered for 14 years. Can they apologise, and reverse their errors?

https://hellish2050.substack.com/p/can-the-tories-wake-up-and-beat-reform

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Niall Warry's avatar

I'm not sure whatever you plan for the Tories rebirth is that it can work as for too long their MPs were selected on the basis of being Cameron, heir to Blair, clones.

Can you please highlight your plan for their revival in a sentence?

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Hellish 2050's avatar

In a nutshell: Reform has left a huge gap in the political market regarding Islam. The public is rapidly waking up to this now. The Conservatives need to address this concern with urgency and thoroughness. Now!

https://hellish2050.substack.com/p/can-we-persuade-nigel-farage-to-wake

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Niall Warry's avatar

Thank you for that but my response I'm afraid is - pigs might fly!!

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