My pet peeve is the way the British right is obsessed the American politics and continually transposes American narratives on to British politics - routinely failing to understand that Britain is a very different country.
For what it is worth my educated guess is that any British government will only be able to act decisively on the deportation front when there is a mass people's rising demanding action be taken.
The last time the British state exerted real power to crush a rival power base was arguably the Miners' Strike in 1984-85.
Thatcher made sure she had her ducks in a row: a recent electoral landslide (1983), a year of building up coal stocks, police forces who were politically on side with the resources to face down mass violence, and a section of the media who were prepared to frame the conflict from the government's POV.
Could a future government achieve the same, starting from a lower base? In theory, it's possible. Do I see any political party figures with the ability to do so? Afraid not.
The first thing that needs to be done is to withdraw all benefits from non citizens, including but not limited to welfare payments, social housing, Government jobs and health care. All migrants in hotels should be required to do work digging the roads etc. In addition, a £5,000 fee should be required before any asylum claim can proceed, and a £25,000 fee to appeal. Then we wait and see how many will self deport. In the meantime, a series of laws should be repealed or amended eg human rights act, equalities act, and the ECHR would be disapplied in immigration cases. Only then, after a substantial equivalent to ICE force has been built up would forcible deportations begin.
I think this is a much better approach than a confrontational one.
British people have a sense of fairness, which would make this more acceptable than forced removals and all the ICE style problems.
No migrant hotels, find a job and pay taxes for say 5 years before getting 1 years benefits. The government will pay for a flight back to where you came from at any time.
I wish I could disagree with you. I fear we’re on a collision course with Civil War which according to David Betz and yourself I believe has already started.
I've just finished reading 'Vessel State' by Angus Hanton on the scale of Corporate America's role in our economy (and the Americanization of Britain).
If the Left is going to import the Third World wholesale, the Right will have to deport them wholesale. It can't be done using retail methods, one by one, with each one having a full televised trial.
You paint a gloomy picture of the usual problem, we are held hostage by the radical left and their bedfellows the radical Muslims. My view is the time for softly softly is over, it is always seen as weakness (which up until now alas it has been) so perhaps if a few of them start getting shot they might just moderate their behaviour. Admittedly we will need a gov with a set of cajones before we go down that path. If Reform do get into office with a sizable majority they will indeed need to prepare the ground starting with the NGO's and the Civil Service (oh, I forgot the media). After that they can sort out the police, judiciary and education system. Hopefully that will lead to more freedom but with greater onus on responsibilities and not rights. If this does not happen we are pretty stuffed.
Having lived in the USA, for a while, its national politics are very different to ours, and also differ widely from state to state. They are not really comparable.
We have, in the main, a uni-party, whereas the USA is highly divided red and blue.
For what it is worth my educated guess is that any British government will only be able to act decisively on the deportation front when there is a mass people's rising demanding action be taken.
The last time the British state exerted real power to crush a rival power base was arguably the Miners' Strike in 1984-85.
Thatcher made sure she had her ducks in a row: a recent electoral landslide (1983), a year of building up coal stocks, police forces who were politically on side with the resources to face down mass violence, and a section of the media who were prepared to frame the conflict from the government's POV.
Could a future government achieve the same, starting from a lower base? In theory, it's possible. Do I see any political party figures with the ability to do so? Afraid not.
The first thing that needs to be done is to withdraw all benefits from non citizens, including but not limited to welfare payments, social housing, Government jobs and health care. All migrants in hotels should be required to do work digging the roads etc. In addition, a £5,000 fee should be required before any asylum claim can proceed, and a £25,000 fee to appeal. Then we wait and see how many will self deport. In the meantime, a series of laws should be repealed or amended eg human rights act, equalities act, and the ECHR would be disapplied in immigration cases. Only then, after a substantial equivalent to ICE force has been built up would forcible deportations begin.
I think this is a much better approach than a confrontational one.
British people have a sense of fairness, which would make this more acceptable than forced removals and all the ICE style problems.
No migrant hotels, find a job and pay taxes for say 5 years before getting 1 years benefits. The government will pay for a flight back to where you came from at any time.
No, just scrap asylum.
I wish I could disagree with you. I fear we’re on a collision course with Civil War which according to David Betz and yourself I believe has already started.
I've just finished reading 'Vessel State' by Angus Hanton on the scale of Corporate America's role in our economy (and the Americanization of Britain).
Highly recommend it.
Sounds interesting (Vassal State)
'Trots off to Waterstones with his Christmas book token' (Other book shops are available, if you can find any!)
I now have a copy, thank you.
If they don't we're fucked. That's it
If the Left is going to import the Third World wholesale, the Right will have to deport them wholesale. It can't be done using retail methods, one by one, with each one having a full televised trial.
You paint a gloomy picture of the usual problem, we are held hostage by the radical left and their bedfellows the radical Muslims. My view is the time for softly softly is over, it is always seen as weakness (which up until now alas it has been) so perhaps if a few of them start getting shot they might just moderate their behaviour. Admittedly we will need a gov with a set of cajones before we go down that path. If Reform do get into office with a sizable majority they will indeed need to prepare the ground starting with the NGO's and the Civil Service (oh, I forgot the media). After that they can sort out the police, judiciary and education system. Hopefully that will lead to more freedom but with greater onus on responsibilities and not rights. If this does not happen we are pretty stuffed.
Having lived in the USA, for a while, its national politics are very different to ours, and also differ widely from state to state. They are not really comparable.
We have, in the main, a uni-party, whereas the USA is highly divided red and blue.