My pet peeve is the way the British right is obsessed the American politics and continually transposes American narratives on to British politics - routinely failing to understand that Britain is a very different country.
For what it is worth my educated guess is that any British government will only be able to act decisively on the deportation front when there is a mass people's rising demanding action be taken.
The last time the British state exerted real power to crush a rival power base was arguably the Miners' Strike in 1984-85.
Thatcher made sure she had her ducks in a row: a recent electoral landslide (1983), a year of building up coal stocks, police forces who were politically on side with the resources to face down mass violence, and a section of the media who were prepared to frame the conflict from the government's POV.
Could a future government achieve the same, starting from a lower base? In theory, it's possible. Do I see any political party figures with the ability to do so? Afraid not.
But the Muslamics and their leftist allies will be more violent than the miners throwing rocks. The Muslamics will break out the arms that they may have sequestered in the mosques, etc. This will mean serious and deadly violence between the peoples. The police and military will not control this. The survival of our native people will mean all able bodied men staning up and fighting. This would likely have very beneficial consequences because it would remove the problem very rapidly and very permanently. This would be a great thing for the future survival of an Anglo Celtic Britain. And there would then be very serious, and public, trials of rhe traitors who had not escaped these islands.
Blair, Cameron, Johnson, Starmer, et al, had better be on their toes.
The first thing that needs to be done is to withdraw all benefits from non citizens, including but not limited to welfare payments, social housing, Government jobs and health care. All migrants in hotels should be required to do work digging the roads etc. In addition, a £5,000 fee should be required before any asylum claim can proceed, and a £25,000 fee to appeal. Then we wait and see how many will self deport. In the meantime, a series of laws should be repealed or amended eg human rights act, equalities act, and the ECHR would be disapplied in immigration cases. Only then, after a substantial equivalent to ICE force has been built up would forcible deportations begin.
I think this is a much better approach than a confrontational one.
British people have a sense of fairness, which would make this more acceptable than forced removals and all the ICE style problems.
No migrant hotels, find a job and pay taxes for say 5 years before getting 1 years benefits. The government will pay for a flight back to where you came from at any time.
I wish I could disagree with you. I fear we’re on a collision course with Civil War which according to David Betz and yourself I believe has already started.
We have had a low level civil war in the UK for sometime. Many people would not realise it, or even admit it but they have changed their behaviour, to deal with it.
They have moved from high risk areas, they do not visit them now.
They are continually scanning the immediate horizon and taking evasive action. Crossing to the other side of the road, not carrying valuables, removing themselves from crowded areas. Looking carefully at who and what is in crowded spaces.
We can watch Trumps attempts and learn. He will have known that areas like Minnesota, Washington DC, Seattle, Portland, California, etc. would be problematic. The policy of dealing with crime and illegals is popular with the USA people. Trumps problem will be the mid terms where there has not been enough time and movement on the economy. A lot of what Biden/ Harris put in place has proven to be problematic
If the Left is going to import the Third World wholesale, the Right will have to deport them wholesale. It can't be done using retail methods, one by one, with each one having a full televised trial.
You paint a gloomy picture of the usual problem, we are held hostage by the radical left and their bedfellows the radical Muslims. My view is the time for softly softly is over, it is always seen as weakness (which up until now alas it has been) so perhaps if a few of them start getting shot they might just moderate their behaviour. Admittedly we will need a gov with a set of cajones before we go down that path. If Reform do get into office with a sizable majority they will indeed need to prepare the ground starting with the NGO's and the Civil Service (oh, I forgot the media). After that they can sort out the police, judiciary and education system. Hopefully that will lead to more freedom but with greater onus on responsibilities and not rights. If this does not happen we are pretty stuffed.
Having lived in the USA, for a while, its national politics are very different to ours, and also differ widely from state to state. They are not really comparable.
We have, in the main, a uni-party, whereas the USA is highly divided red and blue.
I've just finished reading 'Vessel State' by Angus Hanton on the scale of Corporate America's role in our economy (and the Americanization of Britain).
I totally agree, Pete. However, the problem goes much deeper which is that British society and the UK has changed. We are no longer the high trust, low problem, law abiding place we were. We are already a sectarian society, with 'no-go' areas and the police are now partisan.
We should expect, absolutely, the Balkanisation of this island and everything that goes with it. Tribal connections are already more important than Christian values; we are wasting our time thinking otherwise. I am beginning to think the unthinkable - this country could make Gaza look like the Mad Hatter's Tea Party - we may either get a military coup or a dictatorship. We do not have one person who can lead us out of this. Unfortunately.
I agree but foe different reasons. There is no political solution to the immigration invasion problem. There are too many here to remove them peacefully. So they will have to be dealt with very forcefully. This will only be achieved following or during the civil war that will break out because of inaction by our establishment and political parties. Its inevitable now. The British cannot imagine this country being in such a situation, but it will be, and they will find it quite easy to become vicious warriors once their blood is up, and their anger at the immigrant violence rises. All peoples are capable of terrible things when needed. Its their in human history.
The Muslamics, and their allies, haven't realised they are trapped on an island with millions of very angry, Anglo Celtic men - this is a historical recipe for unpleasantness.
For what it is worth my educated guess is that any British government will only be able to act decisively on the deportation front when there is a mass people's rising demanding action be taken.
The last time the British state exerted real power to crush a rival power base was arguably the Miners' Strike in 1984-85.
Thatcher made sure she had her ducks in a row: a recent electoral landslide (1983), a year of building up coal stocks, police forces who were politically on side with the resources to face down mass violence, and a section of the media who were prepared to frame the conflict from the government's POV.
Could a future government achieve the same, starting from a lower base? In theory, it's possible. Do I see any political party figures with the ability to do so? Afraid not.
She was probably the last UK PM who had the capability to produce a serious plan, do a risk assessment on it and plug any awkward gaps.
She expected an insurrection and got one.
We now have a government who could not organise a pee up in a brewery
But the Muslamics and their leftist allies will be more violent than the miners throwing rocks. The Muslamics will break out the arms that they may have sequestered in the mosques, etc. This will mean serious and deadly violence between the peoples. The police and military will not control this. The survival of our native people will mean all able bodied men staning up and fighting. This would likely have very beneficial consequences because it would remove the problem very rapidly and very permanently. This would be a great thing for the future survival of an Anglo Celtic Britain. And there would then be very serious, and public, trials of rhe traitors who had not escaped these islands.
Blair, Cameron, Johnson, Starmer, et al, had better be on their toes.
The first thing that needs to be done is to withdraw all benefits from non citizens, including but not limited to welfare payments, social housing, Government jobs and health care. All migrants in hotels should be required to do work digging the roads etc. In addition, a £5,000 fee should be required before any asylum claim can proceed, and a £25,000 fee to appeal. Then we wait and see how many will self deport. In the meantime, a series of laws should be repealed or amended eg human rights act, equalities act, and the ECHR would be disapplied in immigration cases. Only then, after a substantial equivalent to ICE force has been built up would forcible deportations begin.
No, just scrap asylum.
I think this is a much better approach than a confrontational one.
British people have a sense of fairness, which would make this more acceptable than forced removals and all the ICE style problems.
No migrant hotels, find a job and pay taxes for say 5 years before getting 1 years benefits. The government will pay for a flight back to where you came from at any time.
I wish I could disagree with you. I fear we’re on a collision course with Civil War which according to David Betz and yourself I believe has already started.
We have had a low level civil war in the UK for sometime. Many people would not realise it, or even admit it but they have changed their behaviour, to deal with it.
They have moved from high risk areas, they do not visit them now.
They are continually scanning the immediate horizon and taking evasive action. Crossing to the other side of the road, not carrying valuables, removing themselves from crowded areas. Looking carefully at who and what is in crowded spaces.
We can watch Trumps attempts and learn. He will have known that areas like Minnesota, Washington DC, Seattle, Portland, California, etc. would be problematic. The policy of dealing with crime and illegals is popular with the USA people. Trumps problem will be the mid terms where there has not been enough time and movement on the economy. A lot of what Biden/ Harris put in place has proven to be problematic
If they don't we're fucked. That's it
If the Left is going to import the Third World wholesale, the Right will have to deport them wholesale. It can't be done using retail methods, one by one, with each one having a full televised trial.
You paint a gloomy picture of the usual problem, we are held hostage by the radical left and their bedfellows the radical Muslims. My view is the time for softly softly is over, it is always seen as weakness (which up until now alas it has been) so perhaps if a few of them start getting shot they might just moderate their behaviour. Admittedly we will need a gov with a set of cajones before we go down that path. If Reform do get into office with a sizable majority they will indeed need to prepare the ground starting with the NGO's and the Civil Service (oh, I forgot the media). After that they can sort out the police, judiciary and education system. Hopefully that will lead to more freedom but with greater onus on responsibilities and not rights. If this does not happen we are pretty stuffed.
Having lived in the USA, for a while, its national politics are very different to ours, and also differ widely from state to state. They are not really comparable.
We have, in the main, a uni-party, whereas the USA is highly divided red and blue.
I've just finished reading 'Vessel State' by Angus Hanton on the scale of Corporate America's role in our economy (and the Americanization of Britain).
Highly recommend it.
Sounds interesting (Vassal State)
'Trots off to Waterstones with his Christmas book token' (Other book shops are available, if you can find any!)
I now have a copy, thank you.
I totally agree, Pete. However, the problem goes much deeper which is that British society and the UK has changed. We are no longer the high trust, low problem, law abiding place we were. We are already a sectarian society, with 'no-go' areas and the police are now partisan.
We should expect, absolutely, the Balkanisation of this island and everything that goes with it. Tribal connections are already more important than Christian values; we are wasting our time thinking otherwise. I am beginning to think the unthinkable - this country could make Gaza look like the Mad Hatter's Tea Party - we may either get a military coup or a dictatorship. We do not have one person who can lead us out of this. Unfortunately.
I agree but foe different reasons. There is no political solution to the immigration invasion problem. There are too many here to remove them peacefully. So they will have to be dealt with very forcefully. This will only be achieved following or during the civil war that will break out because of inaction by our establishment and political parties. Its inevitable now. The British cannot imagine this country being in such a situation, but it will be, and they will find it quite easy to become vicious warriors once their blood is up, and their anger at the immigrant violence rises. All peoples are capable of terrible things when needed. Its their in human history.
The Muslamics, and their allies, haven't realised they are trapped on an island with millions of very angry, Anglo Celtic men - this is a historical recipe for unpleasantness.