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Bettina's avatar

Centralisation - loved by communists everywhere. Erase, flatten, homogenise, centralise. Consolidate power. Reduce accountability. Back in your box, serf! We become more and more insignificant as we become part of a larger whole. The warmth of collectivism. You do not matter.

Angelique Davey's avatar

I read and replied to someone about this yesterday. It’s utterly insane. More CCTV, more facial recognition, more scrolling through our social media pages etc etc. It really is quite simple to my mind what really needs to be done. You only have to look at the quality of the police in general today to see the issues affecting them. Firstly immediately do away with the nonsense that is DEI, stop all bias and all wokeness. The police like the media should not be biased and should not be politicised. It should be independent and personal views kept out of any policing. Next strict conditions must be adhered to. There must be a height restriction brought back in and a level of fitness. Police today, both men and women are mostly very short, very overweight and extremely unfit. They come panting along the road, collapsing out of breath after 4 steps to chase anyone doing wrong. How is that conducive to good policing? It’s hardly going to scare someone committing a crime. I believe they should be trained in combat training too, martial arts, boxing, whatever. The level of intellect needs to be upped as a matter of urgency. They must pass an exam of some kind, be given training in how to deal with given situations. How to de escalate or escalate a situation. Surely all of this is common sense? Bring back local stations where people can go in and report a crime rather than doing it online and hoping that you actually get a call back let alone it gets investigated. Put Bobby’s back on the street, go to visit schools and discuss issues such as grooming gangs and what to be aware of. Honestly it isn’t difficult, go back to basics and bring back the rigorous training and regulations that were there some decades ago. Until common sense is brought back no amount of change and restructuring is going to work and this ridiculous government has no idea what to waste money and time on next. Utter shambles.

PAUL MARSHALL's avatar

Its getting closer to the 1984 scenario every day. Police will not care about the people they are policing it will turn into a them and us

Sardonic 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Wrath's avatar

Hard not to look at 'regionalisation' and other centralising terminologies without considering the context of demographic replacement and resultant cultural erasure. As the writer points out, this has nothing to do with democracy or people; it is policing by spreadsheet.

Niall Warry's avatar

Centralisation reminds me of the comment made by the newly inaugurated New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani, who when he took office on January 1, 2026, declared in his inaugural address that he would replace "rugged individualism with the warmth of collectivism".

Centralisation and collectivism are closely associated with communism or democratic socialism as modern day communist like to disguise their true beliefs.

What we need is more 'Real Local Democracy as set out in demand two of this:-

https://harrogateagenda.org.uk/

Nothing is going to change if the people remain silent.

GregB's avatar

True but as Pete wrote: " it has no bearing on what is best for policing or whether people actually want it."

'We' are no longer relevant, but 'the people' wont be staying silent for that much longer.

Steve Boronski's avatar

I think you need to add a ban on political parties, they are the root cause of the problem, ask any politician if they would support their local people if it went against their party, use immigration as the example and we all know that every single politician would either lie or support their party.

Stephen Conrad's avatar

Some years ago the police training centre at Reigate was closed and sold off, I recall a portrait of the late Queen Elizabeth was sold at auction having hung there since the 1950s. No doubt it was thought unnecessary and expensive to send new policemen to a training college, but it worked very well, because there were accepted standards of conduct and knowledge inculcated into new recruits.

John Smith's avatar

The golden time was the village bobby who lived in the community. True preventative and informed policing by consent.

Discuss.

Steve Boronski's avatar

I wrote this yesterday and posted it a few minutes ago, kinda sums up my feelings about modern day policing.

https://open.substack.com/pub/agilepmosimply/p/disillusioned?r=26elou&utm_medium=ios

George's avatar
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No doubt they realise the plan to move to a national police force can’t be introduced prior to another election.

So why go ahead with the planning?

Perhaps because it costs so much money to plan a coup - so whilst in power why not finance it?

Pamela Watson's avatar

I was born in NSW, Australia. NSW covers 809,000 square kilometres (309,300 square miles). We have state police whose jurisdiction is the entire state. We also have federal police who cover the entire country but only in regards to federal laws. I grew up in a small town of 5,000 people. The local sargeant lived upstairs from the Police Station and he knew me well enough to know where I'd been when he pulled me over for a random breath test. (My best friend's house, studying for our final exams). He also knew I didn't turn 18 for another 4 months but that I probably wasn't an underage drinker.

I now live in a small market town of about the same size in rural Lincolnshire (2,286 square miles). The local Police Station was only open part time, but was closed about 10 years ago. The station in the nearest big town is 10 miles away, and is open Mon - Fri 0900 - 1700 and the one time I went there to report a crime the civilian in the office gave me a leaflet telling me how to do it online. I didn't bother.

I live near the border of 3 counties. County police are useless if something happens half a mile away because I'd then have to call the cops in the big city that's 10 miles the other way, or the other county in a different direction. How the heck is having serious crime like murder, terrorism, organised crime etc investigated by a centrally-based organisation going to have any impact on community policing in my town?