"A properly conservative leader needs to kick out the Lib-Dems in their ranks, but that cuts the party in half. If the party is going to rebuild as a conservative party it needs to carefully vet every new candidate."
If you think you can vote your way out of this mess under representative democracy, you really need to think again. George Washington warned Americans against political parties in his farewell speech.
"For some reason, ethno-nationalists tend to be socialist in outlook, and that’s never been my cup of tea."
Why is that surprising? Free trade and free markets are inherently global. They mean you want to establish connections with other places. And they go with people freely mixing with each other and having babies with whomever they find hot (which is sometimes those who look different to them). An ethno-nationalism in the modern world would need apartheid South Africa-style pencil tests, and obsessive policing of everyone to maintain purity.
" The great civic nationalism versus ethnonationalism debate."
Would you agree that to get to ethno-nationalism, you have to go past civic nationalism, just as you would have to go past Oregon to get to the Pacific if you start from Idaho?
Really interesting. Jenrick is being very brave towards India. Thought the conservatives were proposing free movement in return for a trade agreement, clearly no longer
"Though the Overton Window has shifted substantially since the election, there is still a long way to go before the key issues are properly addressed, and until they are, I will probably remain a political nomad out in the wilderness."
Theocracy is the only way to stop the Overton Window moving around all over the place with the government of the day hogging it as always, wouldn't you agree?
Remember when you could be politically centre-right, or centre-left? Ahhh, those halcyon days...
Most of us still happily sit somewhere in the centre, holding strong views, but never bring described as
'far' anything.
Social media and politics is not a good mix...It's now a playground - or rather a battleground - of smears, name-calling and division. There's no room for friendly disagreement.
It's interesting the way anyone opposing socialism or left wing views, or the way in which illegal immigration is changung the face of the country, is dubbed 'far right'.
The middle ground has gone.
It's pernicious, criminal even,( imo) that the BBC, supposedly a bastion of impartiality, but now a national propaganda machine, automatically describes anyone or anything not buying into its biased left wing narrative as 'far right.'
With reference to Pete's post, I do agree that being mild mannered and 'too nice' about the sort of people now coming here illegally is getting us nowhere. I agree that Reform has to take a stronger stance.
We are afraid of being smeared racist of course.
It's a great bit of left wing manipulation, a clever ploy, to label 'nasty' anyone concerned about the extent and effects of illegal immigration.
Say it as it is, truthfully, and have your card marked.
I'd like to chat with left wingers who can explain to me, convince me even, why homing, at great expense, huge numbers of young men from the 3rd world is a good thing.
Would the left agree they are a drain rather than an asset? What do they offer in terms of skill? Will they become taxpayers? Are they likely to integrate, learn the language, assimilate, recognise our way of life, our moral code, our laws?
How will they contribute or benefit British society? Will they take rather than give for the rest of their lives?
Is this a good thing?
We have to get real. I see decay and a country being told it's going to be wrecked, irrevocably changed.
Put up and shut up.
To protest is a 'far-right' response.
We really do have to unite in our opposition to this lunacy. And strongly.
I actually reject the right/left classification. As I see it, the culture war is really between patriarchists and matriarchists ie people who support the restoration of the patriarchy and those who are happy to drown in the moral sewage of the matriarchy.
If we cannot really decide who is "Far Right" and who is "Far Left", it would be invidious to say which side has killed more.
National Socialism was basically a syncretic union of what Hitler thought would please the German proletariat which would not be completely rejected by the German middle classes and patriots.
Is not National Bolshevism really National Socialism under another name without being mean to Jews?
Stalin's political disagreement with Trotsky meant the end of International Marxism which was substituted with National Bolshevism.
Indeed, is not Socialism with Chinese Characteristics really a kind of Sinicized National Socialism with its antisemitism excised?
Surely it cant be that difficult to adopt robust immigration policies whilst avoiding racist thuggery and white supremacy, anti-semitic garbage?
"A properly conservative leader needs to kick out the Lib-Dems in their ranks, but that cuts the party in half. If the party is going to rebuild as a conservative party it needs to carefully vet every new candidate."
If you think you can vote your way out of this mess under representative democracy, you really need to think again. George Washington warned Americans against political parties in his farewell speech.
https://www.americanmajority.org/blog-2/why-was-george-washington-opposed-to-political-parties/
"For some reason, ethno-nationalists tend to be socialist in outlook, and that’s never been my cup of tea."
Why is that surprising? Free trade and free markets are inherently global. They mean you want to establish connections with other places. And they go with people freely mixing with each other and having babies with whomever they find hot (which is sometimes those who look different to them). An ethno-nationalism in the modern world would need apartheid South Africa-style pencil tests, and obsessive policing of everyone to maintain purity.
"It is for this reason I set out my own manifesto."
It is 106 pages long. Do you have a leaflet version of this?
" The great civic nationalism versus ethnonationalism debate."
Would you agree that to get to ethno-nationalism, you have to go past civic nationalism, just as you would have to go past Oregon to get to the Pacific if you start from Idaho?
Really interesting. Jenrick is being very brave towards India. Thought the conservatives were proposing free movement in return for a trade agreement, clearly no longer
So join the Tories to form a faction? Liblabcon win elections, other parties don't.
"Though the Overton Window has shifted substantially since the election, there is still a long way to go before the key issues are properly addressed, and until they are, I will probably remain a political nomad out in the wilderness."
Theocracy is the only way to stop the Overton Window moving around all over the place with the government of the day hogging it as always, wouldn't you agree?
"Homeland has a BNP heritage"
I was a BNP member.
2010, one year, Nick Griffin
London. I am known to nationalism. The BNP London Mayoral Candidates would remember me.
It is better to be Far Right than Far Wrong.
Remember when you could be politically centre-right, or centre-left? Ahhh, those halcyon days...
Most of us still happily sit somewhere in the centre, holding strong views, but never bring described as
'far' anything.
Social media and politics is not a good mix...It's now a playground - or rather a battleground - of smears, name-calling and division. There's no room for friendly disagreement.
It's interesting the way anyone opposing socialism or left wing views, or the way in which illegal immigration is changung the face of the country, is dubbed 'far right'.
The middle ground has gone.
It's pernicious, criminal even,( imo) that the BBC, supposedly a bastion of impartiality, but now a national propaganda machine, automatically describes anyone or anything not buying into its biased left wing narrative as 'far right.'
With reference to Pete's post, I do agree that being mild mannered and 'too nice' about the sort of people now coming here illegally is getting us nowhere. I agree that Reform has to take a stronger stance.
We are afraid of being smeared racist of course.
It's a great bit of left wing manipulation, a clever ploy, to label 'nasty' anyone concerned about the extent and effects of illegal immigration.
Say it as it is, truthfully, and have your card marked.
I'd like to chat with left wingers who can explain to me, convince me even, why homing, at great expense, huge numbers of young men from the 3rd world is a good thing.
Would the left agree they are a drain rather than an asset? What do they offer in terms of skill? Will they become taxpayers? Are they likely to integrate, learn the language, assimilate, recognise our way of life, our moral code, our laws?
How will they contribute or benefit British society? Will they take rather than give for the rest of their lives?
Is this a good thing?
We have to get real. I see decay and a country being told it's going to be wrecked, irrevocably changed.
Put up and shut up.
To protest is a 'far-right' response.
We really do have to unite in our opposition to this lunacy. And strongly.
“Far Right” whatever the government consisting of our corrupt and incompetent ruling classes - always hogging the centre ground - says it is.
I actually reject the right/left classification. As I see it, the culture war is really between patriarchists and matriarchists ie people who support the restoration of the patriarchy and those who are happy to drown in the moral sewage of the matriarchy.
If we cannot really decide who is "Far Right" and who is "Far Left", it would be invidious to say which side has killed more.
National Socialism was basically a syncretic union of what Hitler thought would please the German proletariat which would not be completely rejected by the German middle classes and patriots.
Is not National Bolshevism really National Socialism under another name without being mean to Jews?
Stalin's political disagreement with Trotsky meant the end of International Marxism which was substituted with National Bolshevism.
Indeed, is not Socialism with Chinese Characteristics really a kind of Sinicized National Socialism with its antisemitism excised?
Are you classifying Hitler as Far Left?