This week there has been an outbreak of bickering among Restore Britain supporters, which seemingly started when a speech by Orla Minihane (that included non-white British girls as victims of grooming gangs) triggered fury from the hardliners who said “They aren’t our girls, who cares?”.
The establishment of a unified 'sensible' Right of centre party with no historic baggage of the Conservative Party's utter failures, will only materialise after another defeat at the next election by a cooperating Left united in their hatred of the Right.
So the reality is things have to get a lot worse before Britain can be rebuilt brick by brick.
Or maybe the Con Party might actually sort itself out. Conference season, about to start, will be interesting, in fact just this week alone might be slightly interesting.
Tues - Commons Returns
Wed - PM Question time with Crash and Burn'em and Badenough
Thurs - Political Conference season starts with the 2 day Reform Party Conference
Well we will be worse off and suffer further but we will still be here and from the ashes we can slowly rebuild but at 75 years old the best I can hope for is to see the start of the long slow process of getting our house in order.
You are discounting the influence of Islam. For goodness sake. It's stated aim is dominance and the amount of influence it now has shows it is well on its established way.
Unfortunately, that delay will make it ultimately futile. If we can't save the UK within the next 3 years, there will be nothing 'British' left to save.
All nations rise and fall and rise again and part of the reason we are going down hill in the first place is because far too many 'people' have been sitting on their hands.
The SDP has a vacancy at the moment. Maybe there’s an opening there for a lonely attempt at serious policy work? You may not win anything but would fly a kite for better policies that would shame other parties into copying them.
Every organisation goes through three states of development, forming, storming and norming, the storming bit being the fractious bickering you are talking about in your essay.
At the next election, I will vote for whoever has the best chance of ejecting the old uni-party. I want the Tories, being the judases that they are to be extinct, I wish the same for the Labour Party, the Greens and the pointless Lib Dems. I want them all gone, consigned to the dustbin of history. Whoever is best placed to do that will get my vote.
For goodness sake, look at what you've just written - that's vote fragmentation at its worst. The ONLY way to beat the Tories, Labour, Greens and Lib Dems is to vote either (a) for a muslim candidate, or, (b) 'none of the above'. Either way, there will be no decent governing party. The only way to preserve our country as we know it is tactical voting - we need to decide which party has the greatest chance of succeeding, hold our noses and put our crosses there! Every single one of us.
Categorising people into arbitrary age groups is bunk. The terms Boomers, Zoomers, Millenials et al were coined by lifestyle journalists for glossy coffee table magazines.
These terms are how the Right does identity politics. It's roots are in Left wing divide and rule tactics. People are divided up into almost randomly determined 20 year age brackets and from that some people determine their tastes, choices, lifestyle, voting intentions and character. Even Boomer is a misleading term. Someone born in 1945 has the same attitudes, cultural influences and outlook as someone born in 1965? Nonsense.
These terms were designed to create intergenerational conflict. Reject them.
When commentators address the politics from a globalist/anti globalist position, the answers will be different.
Take a subject like Ukraine. How do you deal with the politics when you look at the war as a Russian left, Ukraine right, problem?
Johnson flew to Ukraine to prevent a truce in 2019.
Burnham flew to Ukraine in 2026 to bolster British support for war. Right and left?
No, globalist.
Labour/Tory parties take their orders from the same power.
That changes the approach to the problem as well as the answer.
Reforms recent decisions (Lowe sacking- ex Tory recruitment) is affected by the influence of globalists, but is regarded as Farages personal decision only.
Restore accepts people not popular in globalists parties.That should be a positive but can’t be whilst the premiss (far right) is accepted.
Lowes is you can be a member and talk but fundamental objectives of the party will not be withdrawn/ changed.
The Guardian/Telegraph/BBC want you to think their politics are left or right or neutral, but they ARE the same in the final analysis.
I’m starting to think that the idea is to keep this war going long enough denude Ukraine of its entire population, then the wolves on both sides can move in for the mineral wealth. Cynical, moi?
Much as I don't like the man, David Cameron once very effectively used the term " ... swivel eyed loons.." to perfectly describe the types of people whom Pete is discussing and who seem to support Restore and possibly some in Reform.
They're not nice people and I for one won't be asking them to dinner.
The trouble is Cameron was referring to ALL UKIP supporters, which included me at the time, and having met me I trust you confirm I'm no 'swivel eyed loon' !!!
A bit like you, I am utterly confused at the Conservative reshuffle. As a reasonably informed right winger, surely I should get a message about direction one way or the other. I doubt Reform or Restore will much outlast their leaders, although Reform at local authority level might have the nucleus to make something of themselves- essentially reverse engineer a political force which should come bottom up. The SDP are unlikely to replace William Clouston and will wither to at best a tiny think tank.
Forecast: in five years time we're back to c.2018 but without the impetus of the Brexit party.
The establishment of a unified 'sensible' Right of centre party with no historic baggage of the Conservative Party's utter failures, will only materialise after another defeat at the next election by a cooperating Left united in their hatred of the Right.
So the reality is things have to get a lot worse before Britain can be rebuilt brick by brick.
Or maybe the Con Party might actually sort itself out. Conference season, about to start, will be interesting, in fact just this week alone might be slightly interesting.
Tues - Commons Returns
Wed - PM Question time with Crash and Burn'em and Badenough
Thurs - Political Conference season starts with the 2 day Reform Party Conference
Fri - Fatigue sets in!
The Conservative Party are still not apologetic enough about how terrible they were and I'm afraid under the Nigerian they have a mountain to climb.
I don't the UK can survive another term of a Labour government.
Well we will be worse off and suffer further but we will still be here and from the ashes we can slowly rebuild but at 75 years old the best I can hope for is to see the start of the long slow process of getting our house in order.
You are discounting the influence of Islam. For goodness sake. It's stated aim is dominance and the amount of influence it now has shows it is well on its established way.
Unfortunately, that delay will make it ultimately futile. If we can't save the UK within the next 3 years, there will be nothing 'British' left to save.
All nations rise and fall and rise again and part of the reason we are going down hill in the first place is because far too many 'people' have been sitting on their hands.
The SDP has a vacancy at the moment. Maybe there’s an opening there for a lonely attempt at serious policy work? You may not win anything but would fly a kite for better policies that would shame other parties into copying them.
The SDP what's leader has just left?
Every organisation goes through three states of development, forming, storming and norming, the storming bit being the fractious bickering you are talking about in your essay.
At the next election, I will vote for whoever has the best chance of ejecting the old uni-party. I want the Tories, being the judases that they are to be extinct, I wish the same for the Labour Party, the Greens and the pointless Lib Dems. I want them all gone, consigned to the dustbin of history. Whoever is best placed to do that will get my vote.
For goodness sake, look at what you've just written - that's vote fragmentation at its worst. The ONLY way to beat the Tories, Labour, Greens and Lib Dems is to vote either (a) for a muslim candidate, or, (b) 'none of the above'. Either way, there will be no decent governing party. The only way to preserve our country as we know it is tactical voting - we need to decide which party has the greatest chance of succeeding, hold our noses and put our crosses there! Every single one of us.
Maybe the Cons will sort themselves out? I can but hope.
Categorising people into arbitrary age groups is bunk. The terms Boomers, Zoomers, Millenials et al were coined by lifestyle journalists for glossy coffee table magazines.
These terms are how the Right does identity politics. It's roots are in Left wing divide and rule tactics. People are divided up into almost randomly determined 20 year age brackets and from that some people determine their tastes, choices, lifestyle, voting intentions and character. Even Boomer is a misleading term. Someone born in 1945 has the same attitudes, cultural influences and outlook as someone born in 1965? Nonsense.
These terms were designed to create intergenerational conflict. Reject them.
When commentators address the politics from a globalist/anti globalist position, the answers will be different.
Take a subject like Ukraine. How do you deal with the politics when you look at the war as a Russian left, Ukraine right, problem?
Johnson flew to Ukraine to prevent a truce in 2019.
Burnham flew to Ukraine in 2026 to bolster British support for war. Right and left?
No, globalist.
Labour/Tory parties take their orders from the same power.
That changes the approach to the problem as well as the answer.
Reforms recent decisions (Lowe sacking- ex Tory recruitment) is affected by the influence of globalists, but is regarded as Farages personal decision only.
Restore accepts people not popular in globalists parties.That should be a positive but can’t be whilst the premiss (far right) is accepted.
Lowes is you can be a member and talk but fundamental objectives of the party will not be withdrawn/ changed.
The Guardian/Telegraph/BBC want you to think their politics are left or right or neutral, but they ARE the same in the final analysis.
Globalist.
I’m starting to think that the idea is to keep this war going long enough denude Ukraine of its entire population, then the wolves on both sides can move in for the mineral wealth. Cynical, moi?
Who are ‘the globalists’?
Banks, financial megaliths, super rich. Their instruments of power are the WEF, EU, WHO and most governments, whoever you vote for.
War is a big earner with no scrutiny.
Governments borrow money with higher interest. Award defence contracts with confidential clauses and commissions.
Profits are enormous.
Super yachts abound.
As well as preventing a truce, Johnson used Ukraine as a distraction from his own inadequacies. So unbelievably selfish.
Much as I don't like the man, David Cameron once very effectively used the term " ... swivel eyed loons.." to perfectly describe the types of people whom Pete is discussing and who seem to support Restore and possibly some in Reform.
They're not nice people and I for one won't be asking them to dinner.
The trouble is Cameron was referring to ALL UKIP supporters, which included me at the time, and having met me I trust you confirm I'm no 'swivel eyed loon' !!!
The risk is being tarred by association!
You are definitely not a loon and you managed to keep the swivel eyes in check. 👌🤓
👍
A bit like you, I am utterly confused at the Conservative reshuffle. As a reasonably informed right winger, surely I should get a message about direction one way or the other. I doubt Reform or Restore will much outlast their leaders, although Reform at local authority level might have the nucleus to make something of themselves- essentially reverse engineer a political force which should come bottom up. The SDP are unlikely to replace William Clouston and will wither to at best a tiny think tank.
Forecast: in five years time we're back to c.2018 but without the impetus of the Brexit party.