I don't agree with everything you say, but for 18 months the ethnonationalist, actually "far right" rump of Restore has been over-riding Rupert Lowe. Yes even before the Restore name and when he was still in Reform. If he wasn't happy with it he should have done something about it, but he didn't. The man is to all intents and purposes a Tory, so why on earth has he allowed some people with pretty vile views to use his movement as a Trojan Horse? Is it really all about an ego that can't live on the same planet as Farage's ego? Really?
All I know is there are some genuine people within Restore but there is also a very vocal (and probably actually very small) group of the "online right" who refuse to debate policy and head straight to insult with filthy sexual, racist and antisemitic slurs online. Probably using bots. I've been calling them out for 18 months and for 18 months I've been called a liar. Because I was right.
Reform isn't perfect but they don't stoop that low.
I live in Australia and we have very similar problems to the UK. In fact, it could be a clone of what the UK is undergoing at the moment. Instead of Reform/Restore, we have “One Nation” which is currently polling at “Reform” levels. The Tory equivalent, the LNP, has been falling apart, but is trying hard to recover. The Labor Party (yes, the spelling is correct) looks very much like the British Labour Party. Anthony Albanese, the current PM, was a communist in his student days. Today though, he is a millionaire with several expensive properties. Ultimate hypocrisy. We have a problem with radical Islam and sectarian politics. Immigrants from war torn areas in Africa. Somalians and Sudanese who haven’t given up their machetes yet. A couple of years ago the regime attempted to impose something called “The Voice”. Intended to be a special place for selected Aboriginal city based activists, which could inspect any government legislation and change or block it completely. “The Voice”, introduced by Albanese, was backed by most of the major Corporations, sporting bodies, the left in general, including the Greens, of course. The referendum vote was two thirds “No”, one third “Yes”, so it was defeated. Did that teach the “woke” any lessons? No sir. All the leftist favourite issues (gender, race etc) are the same in Australia. One difference-Australia is increasing defence spending. Ethnicity is not really a problem in Australia. Culture is, and rightly so, and we do want to preserve the European character of the country.
Restore's prompt, first past the post, national grooming gang report, even though it's quoted horrendous, nationally embarrassing, if anywhere near correct, 250K victim projection, may or may not be somewhat of a exaggeration, (which for victim's sakes I hope it is) is surely a major and sadly positive milestone in UK political history?
Their vote total in Makerfield I thought it was very respectable for an out of the box, fledgling party.
Everyone would be well advised to wait and see how they perform in any other by-elections and membership numbers, before attempting to write them off at this rather early stage.
More well enough educated members with respectably strident oratory skills, and who can boast excellent top job potential, are needed in the party's ranks in order to further Restore's nationwide potential as a more Right sided alternative to Reform.
A predominantly ethno-nationalist party will never attract more erudite members. Get rid of those and Restore can start growing. At the moment they are a very small fringe party attractive only to a very narrow base. A party who's core is on the political extremity, left or right, will never prosper. Corbyn/Sultana's Your Party anyone?. In order to get even a chance of electoral success you need to widen your appeal. Reform UK seem to have understood that. Rupert Lowe and Restore Britain doesn't. That may not sit well with 'patriots' but forever shouting distasteful rhetoric from the fringes will never elicit the change the country needs.
What is so wrong with ethno-nationalism? Everyone else is allowed to celebrate and promote their culture, ethnicity and nation without being berated for it. Only Britishness - no, Englishness, more specifically white Englishness - is deprecated and deplored. Even the Scottish, Welsh and Irish are permitted and encouraged to be nationalists.
Perhaps in an ideal world everyone would be less tribal. But when first- or recent-generation immigrants secure for themselves plum jobs, sinecures and ivory towers with wanky job-titles then spend their time railing against the supposed oppression and discrimination which they have faced here and carping about the "racism" in a working-class which would love the opportunity to be in their comfortable positions, then it is hardly surprising when people are tempted to fight fire with fire. Indeed, doing so may now be a matter of survival.
They are finished. The Tories are no longer Conservative but turned socialist during g their 14 years with highest taxes since 1849s. They decimated the military, oil industries and started net zero and the Chagos negotiations . I no longer recognise them. The party is infested with left leaning liberals. Badenoch should not be Leader, but the Tory hierarchy decided they wanted the first Asian and black PM. They are Globalists.
So what we have is basically Reform and Restore offering what should be traditional conservative views.
Much of the Tory party are Lib Dems, Badenoch is doing a good job personally, she just very publicly needs to purge the party of the liberals to give the Tories a chance. If she does that how much of Reform will switch back to Tory?
Tories are still hampered by tribal dislike from the decent left and mistrust and anger from the right. Having said that ... a lot will depend on who is standing in each area and has the best chance of winning. Nick Timothy or Katie Lam v Angry Gammon with dodgy media posts? Or serious Reform councillor v LibDem adjacent Tory?
Like what you have to say about the Rupert Lowe and his ‘destroy Reform’ party, because that’s all they are in his intention! They might believe they are a genuine party but I think people are seeing through them. It’s still Reform for me and will be to the end. Because how will we know if they follow through on their promises if we don’t give them a chance! Conservatives have blown it for me, Kemi is just about keeping them going but still too Liberal for me.
Hope you’re right. I think to be more realistic, Reform is a work in progress that is learning and improving as it goes along. Some credit is due too, creating a party from scratch in two years is a massive achievement.
It's a shame for all sensible people. I assumed - when Lowe fell out of Reform - that his beef was over the lack of serious policy. Pete North's point well made. Restore would be a proper think tank and policy unit that would show us how it should be done - which could over time morph into a proper party if Reform didn't get its act together. However, vanity got in there and Lowe's party is just what he railed against in Reform. It has also become a vehicle, accidentally or not, for the rift between civnats and ethnats. As the latter can never win a coalition of voters to get near power and will attract the worst dregs of the right, it is bound to fail and achieve nothing except help Labour and its traffic light coalition stay in power.
Nailed it Martin, right on the head. The far right never prospers.
Farage never was, and never will be far right. He was most instrumental in dismantling the BNP by taking about a third of their working class voters to UKIP, a mainstream party, and banning anybody who'd been involved with the BNP from joining which led to their demise. This is the reason I support Reform UK, because I know that if the far right pops up in the party it will be, (and has been), dealt with promptly.
Why was the dismantaling of the BNP and then the censor of any of their concerns such an important political milestone in your political and civilisational understanding?
Reform are a home for tories who want traditional tory values. Nothing wrong with that. Rupert Lowe is a failed Tory, failed Reformer. Double fail. Is he any less relevant in your mind? Why is he different? All people say is he speaks the truth, hes ever so brave with all the attacks he gets, he speaks for the people, he's got such a kind smile, kind eyes, genuine. Nothing about his authoritarian policies, nothing about Steve Laws and his ethno-nationalist entourage. Sorry, but I don't think Restore Britain will make next year, let alone the next election. They're already attacking him from within the party. Dictating the leadership structure and demanding apologies for not saying what they want him to. Nope, they won't exist long. Members are leaving because of it.
There’s a good argument on ‘the Right’ to be had between free market liberals and old school protectionists. I agree there Reform is struggling to find its niche between the Thatcher Tribute Act and the Red Wall Replacement. The market - to use a free trade term - has a gap for the latter. Of course while we argue over economic policy and over whether someone who came here in 1066 is properly English, the next election will be a cakewalk for the progressive left. PR, 16 year olds, block votes and the media on side will keep them in power for good.
The attacks & hit pieces against Rupert will soon fade out. And, by the way, yesterday, he was spotted looking around for a fuck to give. He didn’t find one, anywhere. Not just lies & subterfuge, misquotes, people actually believing the shitrag daily mail litany of propaganda and outright untruths. It didn’t work, it won’t work. You’ve had the drains up, it’s over. It didn’t work, it won’t work. Every single agent has failed, which is indicative and hilariously predictable from losers. What a cunch of bunts. Bring on wave 2 assholes, you will fail again & again. I can smell the fear, and taste the salty tears. It’s delicious
Ethnonationalism is a dead end. For a start try to define it. Second, miscegenation is a historical norm, where propinquity does its thing - there is no unwinding it (and anyway the results are often positive). The conflicts we are experiencing are predominantly cultural in origin and can only be managed politically. The French seem at last to have woken up to this, and in the name of 'laïcité' (the secular State) are finally taking steps to rein in what they are calling 'religious political separatism' (exemplified by the Muslim Brotherhood). Sadly we Brits seem as yet incapable of making those distinctions.
Good points, all well made. The issue of ethnicity is a huge distraction away from the serious issues the country faces. And it's a pointless argument when examined closely. In response to Lowe's Bright Young Things' flirtation with Renaud Camus, I did some (fairly brief) research into British ethnicities, in particular my part of the world (Liverpool/Merseyside). The genuine, organic diversity here is palpable given its geography and history. It is my view that ethnicity is only part of anyone's story. We are shaped by both place and time. We are moulded by what's around us. That's not to say inward migration on the scale we're seeing isn't an issue, obviously it is. But all of this is rendered a massive distraction under current circumstances. The most ridiculous aspect must be the anti Zionism which has no logic except to bind the BYTs to their left wing identitarian counterparts.
The Restore project has become one that poisoned the growing traction of the right. This recent by-election episode seemed almost designed to puncture Reform and embolden the Conservatives. (Enough to make me wonder about a few things...)
I generally prefer Lowe to Farage, he seems to have more backbone. Farage seems to be on an ego trip and some of the Tories he has taken on board helped create the current situation. Were Habib and Lowe a threat to him in the popularity stakes?
This is the biggest load of drivel yet seen in the hysteria coming from the opposition. A really childish attempt to disenfranchise Restore Britain followers and instil doubt in the ranks. Never before in the history of politics has there been the need for a leader such as Rupert Lowe and what an impact he has made. The soggy lefties are in a panic and as such have to resort to publishing this kind of weak attempt to detail the party. Any political party that attracts the result that Restore Britain achieved in the Makerfield by election after only being in existence for four months promises to dominate politics in time to come between now and 2029. The left, the right and the centre are in panic. Watch this space !
'Ethnonationalists are individuals who believe that a nation is defined by shared heritage—including a common language, faith, and ethnic ancestry. They advocate for a state where political and national identity are rooted exclusively in this ethnicity, frequently marginalizing or seeking to exclude those of different backgrounds'
Definition above. Let's see what we are working with.
You wrote months ago that you were flirting with Homeland.
If those individuals wanting ethnic cleansing are leaving Restore then it's better for it.
I would wholeheartedly back Rupert Lowe on NOT wanting or going anywhere near Ethnonationalism.
I would not back such a party, nor would, I imagine most of the hundreds of thousands who've joined Restore since its inception five months ago.
People like me with Irish heritage would not be welcome, nor would the Scots or Welsh, Europeans, Asians or Africans, those without English roots but who work, contribute, make decent neighbours and are good citizens of Britain.
Restore might have failed extremists (who are leaving, thankfully)but it was never set up as a home for them anyway.
Rupert Lowe is far from finished. For a party formed only five months ago,to finish third in a
by election ( fix) created by Burnham to aid his own political ambition,is some feat. He left the Lib Dems and Conservatives trailing in his wake. Five months of existance, yet two established parties polled less than Restore.
You might want to do a hatchet job on Restore for whatever reason but for those finding themselves politically homeless over the last twenty years or so,it continues to attract moderates who'd describe themselves as patriots.( Now in the Dirty Word Dictionary created by the far left.)
Having lost faith in both the traditional left and right...(both cheeks of the same backside) Reform seemed to be the only hope for those rejecting established parties.
Farage created the interest around Rupert Lowe, ironically, in his treatment of him and Ben Habib.
That Farage has gone on to adopt some of Restore's hardliners policies on immigration is indicative of a party seeing a threat from the new boy on the block.
Farage has had the same views on immigration for over 20 years though. The idea that he takes his immigration policy from Lowe is wrong. Farages policies have been the same all along, he's always spoken of deportation. Because Lowe anounced something before you knew of Farage's policy it doesn't make him the originator. There are plenty of historic youtube videos showing this. He's been 100% consistent on it for decades.
I agree with your criticisms of Reform. Having said that, Reform may not have been winning by-elections but they have taken a lot of council seats. It's not like there is no support out there for them.
I may well be wrong but I don't think Burnham has the stones - or the self-awareness - to go for a snap election. I think he will want to show everyone who he is first. That should be enough to kill off that part of Labour support that is not entirely tribal/deranged/imported.
If Reform get elected and then fail, provided they get some changes through on ILR, citizenship and benefits, we have at least established some sort of baseline on the meta-issues. Getting rid of the Online Safety Act and associated Digital ID/social media would also be great.
Unless an elected Reform government repeals literally nothing we can hardly be worse off than we have been since 1990.
1980s 'microwave Thatcherism' types think Restore is for people like them.
Ethno-nationalists think it's the party they've spent years looking for.
As do associated patriots.
Constitutional/Libertarian types (who tend not to be racist BTW, I should know) think...ah, a party that might actually include or at least tolerate us.
With all these disparate groups and a relentless pursuit of mass membership...what on earth could possibly go wrong?
The lesson is one that could have been learned from Reform but obviously wasn't. Getting as many members as you can, as quickly as you can, is a fool's errand and absolutely reeks of vanity. It's like boasting about £100 million turnover at 1% margin.
Mass membership for vanity, competence and capability for sanity. Restore is done. Already.
If the flurry of interest on the right has disappeared it's because the razzmatazz surrounding the Makerfield result has calmed down.
The campaigning has stopped.
Burnham was favourite to win.
Restore votes didn't even threaten that victory.
We conclude - the first note of interest :
Reform can't beat Labour even when Labour, governing the country, have angered virtually every segment of society.
(Except the segments that get the greatest payouts from them. There are enough immigrants and able-bodied living on benefits that Labour has their vote guaranteed. Good wheeze. Piss off the workers, the farmers, the pensioners. The armed forces, the aspiring, the law-abiding, the tax payers, those just about getting by.
Lose their votes, but rake in those from non-contributing looking for the cradle-to grave funded lifestyle.)
That's by the by.
The second note of interest:
Restore,only formed 5 months ago, came third.
Restore beat long-established parties - the Conservatives, Lib Dems and Greens.
Unless we look forward to losing our lifestyle to an alien culture in about ten years time, the right must get their act together.
A nation of fair skinned, tolerant people in the Northern hemisphere who have welcomed diversity, could be governed and out-bred by recently arrived incoming Asians and Africans. Become a minority in Britain.
That's a reality given immigration, birth rate and a much bigger Islamic Influence in both local and national government.
Liberals seem unbothered.
Bring it on, man. Groovy. Suicidal empathy.
If nothing changes,and the decline continues, it will be quite entertaining to see how their futures pan out. A small consolation.
The people who follow Restore are bothered, genuinely concerned.
Reform continues to waver, sit on the fence regarding issues that matter. That Yussuf resigned when the banning of the Burqa issue was raised by Reform speaks volumes about where his sympathies really lie. Very telling he came back when appeased. That's why Reform voters looked elsewhere I suspect, that and Farage's treatment of Lowe and Habib when challenged.
Restore members are not far-right,they're not racist, most of them aren't even politically engaged. Most are moderates, but angry moderates wondering what is going on, aggravated beyond belief by Starmer. They have no political home, betrayed by both Labour and the Conservatives before them.
People who have lived here for a long time,whose heritage is elsewhere,whose skin isn't fair, but their lives are now British, are part of that movement and concerned about the left and globalism too.
Restore members' genuine and deep concern is the future of Britain and what lies ahead for their children and grandchildren if we continue on the present trajectory.
It's the same concern which was felt by ordinary British families in the 1930s when war loomed large and the threat of a dictator and his storm troopers invading was terrifying. The tyrant would make demands that were unacceptable - pretty much as Starmer has done. Our freedoms would be threatened.
Life would change forever, we'd and be controlled by an enemy invading force which would bring about unfamiliar, wholesale change.
A fight to prevent that happening was the only course of action.
That's why Restore has grown so swiftly.
It's a baton we must carry, passed to us by those whose remains lie in graves, the generations who gave their lives to retain the country we know and love and those who followed after them who worked to rebuild the country. We take that baton or wave a white flag - are they allowed? - and lie down and roll over.
I don't agree with everything you say, but for 18 months the ethnonationalist, actually "far right" rump of Restore has been over-riding Rupert Lowe. Yes even before the Restore name and when he was still in Reform. If he wasn't happy with it he should have done something about it, but he didn't. The man is to all intents and purposes a Tory, so why on earth has he allowed some people with pretty vile views to use his movement as a Trojan Horse? Is it really all about an ego that can't live on the same planet as Farage's ego? Really?
All I know is there are some genuine people within Restore but there is also a very vocal (and probably actually very small) group of the "online right" who refuse to debate policy and head straight to insult with filthy sexual, racist and antisemitic slurs online. Probably using bots. I've been calling them out for 18 months and for 18 months I've been called a liar. Because I was right.
Reform isn't perfect but they don't stoop that low.
Very well said.
I live in Australia and we have very similar problems to the UK. In fact, it could be a clone of what the UK is undergoing at the moment. Instead of Reform/Restore, we have “One Nation” which is currently polling at “Reform” levels. The Tory equivalent, the LNP, has been falling apart, but is trying hard to recover. The Labor Party (yes, the spelling is correct) looks very much like the British Labour Party. Anthony Albanese, the current PM, was a communist in his student days. Today though, he is a millionaire with several expensive properties. Ultimate hypocrisy. We have a problem with radical Islam and sectarian politics. Immigrants from war torn areas in Africa. Somalians and Sudanese who haven’t given up their machetes yet. A couple of years ago the regime attempted to impose something called “The Voice”. Intended to be a special place for selected Aboriginal city based activists, which could inspect any government legislation and change or block it completely. “The Voice”, introduced by Albanese, was backed by most of the major Corporations, sporting bodies, the left in general, including the Greens, of course. The referendum vote was two thirds “No”, one third “Yes”, so it was defeated. Did that teach the “woke” any lessons? No sir. All the leftist favourite issues (gender, race etc) are the same in Australia. One difference-Australia is increasing defence spending. Ethnicity is not really a problem in Australia. Culture is, and rightly so, and we do want to preserve the European character of the country.
It depends on the individual concerned. There are people of Aboriginal descent who are fully accepted. Jacinta Nampijinpa Price is one of them.
Tell that to the Aborigines. You're doing better (Australia) but they're still not accepted on an equal basis everywhere.
Why are they equal? What have they achieved as a people/ Civilisation?
How about an innate ability to survive without so called modern day “ conveniences”?
And dying at the age of thirty or less? We can all do that.
Peace
Credit where credit is due:
Restore's prompt, first past the post, national grooming gang report, even though it's quoted horrendous, nationally embarrassing, if anywhere near correct, 250K victim projection, may or may not be somewhat of a exaggeration, (which for victim's sakes I hope it is) is surely a major and sadly positive milestone in UK political history?
Their vote total in Makerfield I thought it was very respectable for an out of the box, fledgling party.
Everyone would be well advised to wait and see how they perform in any other by-elections and membership numbers, before attempting to write them off at this rather early stage.
More well enough educated members with respectably strident oratory skills, and who can boast excellent top job potential, are needed in the party's ranks in order to further Restore's nationwide potential as a more Right sided alternative to Reform.
A predominantly ethno-nationalist party will never attract more erudite members. Get rid of those and Restore can start growing. At the moment they are a very small fringe party attractive only to a very narrow base. A party who's core is on the political extremity, left or right, will never prosper. Corbyn/Sultana's Your Party anyone?. In order to get even a chance of electoral success you need to widen your appeal. Reform UK seem to have understood that. Rupert Lowe and Restore Britain doesn't. That may not sit well with 'patriots' but forever shouting distasteful rhetoric from the fringes will never elicit the change the country needs.
What is so wrong with ethno-nationalism? Everyone else is allowed to celebrate and promote their culture, ethnicity and nation without being berated for it. Only Britishness - no, Englishness, more specifically white Englishness - is deprecated and deplored. Even the Scottish, Welsh and Irish are permitted and encouraged to be nationalists.
Perhaps in an ideal world everyone would be less tribal. But when first- or recent-generation immigrants secure for themselves plum jobs, sinecures and ivory towers with wanky job-titles then spend their time railing against the supposed oppression and discrimination which they have faced here and carping about the "racism" in a working-class which would love the opportunity to be in their comfortable positions, then it is hardly surprising when people are tempted to fight fire with fire. Indeed, doing so may now be a matter of survival.
Kind of proving my point about the ethno-nationalism stuff there.
I am not sure how it is proving your point, but so be it.
The long term trajectory is for more not less tribalism
Thanks Pete.
Move along please - nothing to see -> Vote Conservative.
They are finished. The Tories are no longer Conservative but turned socialist during g their 14 years with highest taxes since 1849s. They decimated the military, oil industries and started net zero and the Chagos negotiations . I no longer recognise them. The party is infested with left leaning liberals. Badenoch should not be Leader, but the Tory hierarchy decided they wanted the first Asian and black PM. They are Globalists.
So what we have is basically Reform and Restore offering what should be traditional conservative views.
Much of the Tory party are Lib Dems, Badenoch is doing a good job personally, she just very publicly needs to purge the party of the liberals to give the Tories a chance. If she does that how much of Reform will switch back to Tory?
Tories are still hampered by tribal dislike from the decent left and mistrust and anger from the right. Having said that ... a lot will depend on who is standing in each area and has the best chance of winning. Nick Timothy or Katie Lam v Angry Gammon with dodgy media posts? Or serious Reform councillor v LibDem adjacent Tory?
Like what you have to say about the Rupert Lowe and his ‘destroy Reform’ party, because that’s all they are in his intention! They might believe they are a genuine party but I think people are seeing through them. It’s still Reform for me and will be to the end. Because how will we know if they follow through on their promises if we don’t give them a chance! Conservatives have blown it for me, Kemi is just about keeping them going but still too Liberal for me.
The only thing I would say is- Trust Nigel. Give Reform a chance.
Indeed, but we also want Reform to be better - the stakes are too high.
As Nigel said- he is not going to release all his plans yet, because he is not stupid. If he does, Labour has plenty of time left to block them.
Hope you’re right. I think to be more realistic, Reform is a work in progress that is learning and improving as it goes along. Some credit is due too, creating a party from scratch in two years is a massive achievement.
I wouldn’t buy a used car off Nigel, but at the moment I would still probably vote Reform. Until Katie Lam is Tory leader of course.
It's a shame for all sensible people. I assumed - when Lowe fell out of Reform - that his beef was over the lack of serious policy. Pete North's point well made. Restore would be a proper think tank and policy unit that would show us how it should be done - which could over time morph into a proper party if Reform didn't get its act together. However, vanity got in there and Lowe's party is just what he railed against in Reform. It has also become a vehicle, accidentally or not, for the rift between civnats and ethnats. As the latter can never win a coalition of voters to get near power and will attract the worst dregs of the right, it is bound to fail and achieve nothing except help Labour and its traffic light coalition stay in power.
Nailed it Martin, right on the head. The far right never prospers.
Farage never was, and never will be far right. He was most instrumental in dismantling the BNP by taking about a third of their working class voters to UKIP, a mainstream party, and banning anybody who'd been involved with the BNP from joining which led to their demise. This is the reason I support Reform UK, because I know that if the far right pops up in the party it will be, (and has been), dealt with promptly.
Why was the dismantaling of the BNP and then the censor of any of their concerns such an important political milestone in your political and civilisational understanding?
The strength of the so called far Right comes when all other options fail.
Reform are just a recycling bin for failed Tories and have no solutions just reheated Thatcherism
Reform are a home for tories who want traditional tory values. Nothing wrong with that. Rupert Lowe is a failed Tory, failed Reformer. Double fail. Is he any less relevant in your mind? Why is he different? All people say is he speaks the truth, hes ever so brave with all the attacks he gets, he speaks for the people, he's got such a kind smile, kind eyes, genuine. Nothing about his authoritarian policies, nothing about Steve Laws and his ethno-nationalist entourage. Sorry, but I don't think Restore Britain will make next year, let alone the next election. They're already attacking him from within the party. Dictating the leadership structure and demanding apologies for not saying what they want him to. Nope, they won't exist long. Members are leaving because of it.
There’s a good argument on ‘the Right’ to be had between free market liberals and old school protectionists. I agree there Reform is struggling to find its niche between the Thatcher Tribute Act and the Red Wall Replacement. The market - to use a free trade term - has a gap for the latter. Of course while we argue over economic policy and over whether someone who came here in 1066 is properly English, the next election will be a cakewalk for the progressive left. PR, 16 year olds, block votes and the media on side will keep them in power for good.
The attacks & hit pieces against Rupert will soon fade out. And, by the way, yesterday, he was spotted looking around for a fuck to give. He didn’t find one, anywhere. Not just lies & subterfuge, misquotes, people actually believing the shitrag daily mail litany of propaganda and outright untruths. It didn’t work, it won’t work. You’ve had the drains up, it’s over. It didn’t work, it won’t work. Every single agent has failed, which is indicative and hilariously predictable from losers. What a cunch of bunts. Bring on wave 2 assholes, you will fail again & again. I can smell the fear, and taste the salty tears. It’s delicious
Ethnonationalism is a dead end. For a start try to define it. Second, miscegenation is a historical norm, where propinquity does its thing - there is no unwinding it (and anyway the results are often positive). The conflicts we are experiencing are predominantly cultural in origin and can only be managed politically. The French seem at last to have woken up to this, and in the name of 'laïcité' (the secular State) are finally taking steps to rein in what they are calling 'religious political separatism' (exemplified by the Muslim Brotherhood). Sadly we Brits seem as yet incapable of making those distinctions.
I might be wrong, but I do believe the United Kingdom has one of the largest percentages of racially mixed marriages in the world.
The tv adverts would have you believing that…
I haven’t had a television for a quarter of a century…
You’d be shocked.
The long-term trajectory is for more tribalism not less.
Good points, all well made. The issue of ethnicity is a huge distraction away from the serious issues the country faces. And it's a pointless argument when examined closely. In response to Lowe's Bright Young Things' flirtation with Renaud Camus, I did some (fairly brief) research into British ethnicities, in particular my part of the world (Liverpool/Merseyside). The genuine, organic diversity here is palpable given its geography and history. It is my view that ethnicity is only part of anyone's story. We are shaped by both place and time. We are moulded by what's around us. That's not to say inward migration on the scale we're seeing isn't an issue, obviously it is. But all of this is rendered a massive distraction under current circumstances. The most ridiculous aspect must be the anti Zionism which has no logic except to bind the BYTs to their left wing identitarian counterparts.
The Restore project has become one that poisoned the growing traction of the right. This recent by-election episode seemed almost designed to puncture Reform and embolden the Conservatives. (Enough to make me wonder about a few things...)
I generally prefer Lowe to Farage, he seems to have more backbone. Farage seems to be on an ego trip and some of the Tories he has taken on board helped create the current situation. Were Habib and Lowe a threat to him in the popularity stakes?
This is the biggest load of drivel yet seen in the hysteria coming from the opposition. A really childish attempt to disenfranchise Restore Britain followers and instil doubt in the ranks. Never before in the history of politics has there been the need for a leader such as Rupert Lowe and what an impact he has made. The soggy lefties are in a panic and as such have to resort to publishing this kind of weak attempt to detail the party. Any political party that attracts the result that Restore Britain achieved in the Makerfield by election after only being in existence for four months promises to dominate politics in time to come between now and 2029. The left, the right and the centre are in panic. Watch this space !
'Ethnonationalists are individuals who believe that a nation is defined by shared heritage—including a common language, faith, and ethnic ancestry. They advocate for a state where political and national identity are rooted exclusively in this ethnicity, frequently marginalizing or seeking to exclude those of different backgrounds'
Definition above. Let's see what we are working with.
You wrote months ago that you were flirting with Homeland.
If those individuals wanting ethnic cleansing are leaving Restore then it's better for it.
I would wholeheartedly back Rupert Lowe on NOT wanting or going anywhere near Ethnonationalism.
I would not back such a party, nor would, I imagine most of the hundreds of thousands who've joined Restore since its inception five months ago.
People like me with Irish heritage would not be welcome, nor would the Scots or Welsh, Europeans, Asians or Africans, those without English roots but who work, contribute, make decent neighbours and are good citizens of Britain.
Restore might have failed extremists (who are leaving, thankfully)but it was never set up as a home for them anyway.
Rupert Lowe is far from finished. For a party formed only five months ago,to finish third in a
by election ( fix) created by Burnham to aid his own political ambition,is some feat. He left the Lib Dems and Conservatives trailing in his wake. Five months of existance, yet two established parties polled less than Restore.
You might want to do a hatchet job on Restore for whatever reason but for those finding themselves politically homeless over the last twenty years or so,it continues to attract moderates who'd describe themselves as patriots.( Now in the Dirty Word Dictionary created by the far left.)
Having lost faith in both the traditional left and right...(both cheeks of the same backside) Reform seemed to be the only hope for those rejecting established parties.
Farage created the interest around Rupert Lowe, ironically, in his treatment of him and Ben Habib.
That Farage has gone on to adopt some of Restore's hardliners policies on immigration is indicative of a party seeing a threat from the new boy on the block.
Rupert Lowe and Restore has only just begun.
Farage has had the same views on immigration for over 20 years though. The idea that he takes his immigration policy from Lowe is wrong. Farages policies have been the same all along, he's always spoken of deportation. Because Lowe anounced something before you knew of Farage's policy it doesn't make him the originator. There are plenty of historic youtube videos showing this. He's been 100% consistent on it for decades.
Defined beautifully.
I agree with your criticisms of Reform. Having said that, Reform may not have been winning by-elections but they have taken a lot of council seats. It's not like there is no support out there for them.
I may well be wrong but I don't think Burnham has the stones - or the self-awareness - to go for a snap election. I think he will want to show everyone who he is first. That should be enough to kill off that part of Labour support that is not entirely tribal/deranged/imported.
If Reform get elected and then fail, provided they get some changes through on ILR, citizenship and benefits, we have at least established some sort of baseline on the meta-issues. Getting rid of the Online Safety Act and associated Digital ID/social media would also be great.
Unless an elected Reform government repeals literally nothing we can hardly be worse off than we have been since 1990.
1980s 'microwave Thatcherism' types think Restore is for people like them.
Ethno-nationalists think it's the party they've spent years looking for.
As do associated patriots.
Constitutional/Libertarian types (who tend not to be racist BTW, I should know) think...ah, a party that might actually include or at least tolerate us.
With all these disparate groups and a relentless pursuit of mass membership...what on earth could possibly go wrong?
The lesson is one that could have been learned from Reform but obviously wasn't. Getting as many members as you can, as quickly as you can, is a fool's errand and absolutely reeks of vanity. It's like boasting about £100 million turnover at 1% margin.
Mass membership for vanity, competence and capability for sanity. Restore is done. Already.
Restore is only just beginning.
If the flurry of interest on the right has disappeared it's because the razzmatazz surrounding the Makerfield result has calmed down.
The campaigning has stopped.
Burnham was favourite to win.
Restore votes didn't even threaten that victory.
We conclude - the first note of interest :
Reform can't beat Labour even when Labour, governing the country, have angered virtually every segment of society.
(Except the segments that get the greatest payouts from them. There are enough immigrants and able-bodied living on benefits that Labour has their vote guaranteed. Good wheeze. Piss off the workers, the farmers, the pensioners. The armed forces, the aspiring, the law-abiding, the tax payers, those just about getting by.
Lose their votes, but rake in those from non-contributing looking for the cradle-to grave funded lifestyle.)
That's by the by.
The second note of interest:
Restore,only formed 5 months ago, came third.
Restore beat long-established parties - the Conservatives, Lib Dems and Greens.
Unless we look forward to losing our lifestyle to an alien culture in about ten years time, the right must get their act together.
A nation of fair skinned, tolerant people in the Northern hemisphere who have welcomed diversity, could be governed and out-bred by recently arrived incoming Asians and Africans. Become a minority in Britain.
That's a reality given immigration, birth rate and a much bigger Islamic Influence in both local and national government.
Liberals seem unbothered.
Bring it on, man. Groovy. Suicidal empathy.
If nothing changes,and the decline continues, it will be quite entertaining to see how their futures pan out. A small consolation.
The people who follow Restore are bothered, genuinely concerned.
Reform continues to waver, sit on the fence regarding issues that matter. That Yussuf resigned when the banning of the Burqa issue was raised by Reform speaks volumes about where his sympathies really lie. Very telling he came back when appeased. That's why Reform voters looked elsewhere I suspect, that and Farage's treatment of Lowe and Habib when challenged.
Restore members are not far-right,they're not racist, most of them aren't even politically engaged. Most are moderates, but angry moderates wondering what is going on, aggravated beyond belief by Starmer. They have no political home, betrayed by both Labour and the Conservatives before them.
People who have lived here for a long time,whose heritage is elsewhere,whose skin isn't fair, but their lives are now British, are part of that movement and concerned about the left and globalism too.
Restore members' genuine and deep concern is the future of Britain and what lies ahead for their children and grandchildren if we continue on the present trajectory.
It's the same concern which was felt by ordinary British families in the 1930s when war loomed large and the threat of a dictator and his storm troopers invading was terrifying. The tyrant would make demands that were unacceptable - pretty much as Starmer has done. Our freedoms would be threatened.
Life would change forever, we'd and be controlled by an enemy invading force which would bring about unfamiliar, wholesale change.
A fight to prevent that happening was the only course of action.
That's why Restore has grown so swiftly.
It's a baton we must carry, passed to us by those whose remains lie in graves, the generations who gave their lives to retain the country we know and love and those who followed after them who worked to rebuild the country. We take that baton or wave a white flag - are they allowed? - and lie down and roll over.
I'd say that was a worthy challenge.