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Ricardo Richardson's avatar

Some thoughts that may be of assistance in your exploration of the ECHR.

With regard to halting illegal migration, it seems to me that the 1951 Refugee Convention (RC) is a more fundamental piece of legislation that the ECHR.  And that's because if someone turns up irregularly on a small boat and then claims asylum, they can do that because the UK is a signatory to the RC.

It seems to me that, in order to stop illegal migration, the UK needs to be able to say to any person arriving irregularly that they are simply not entitled to claim asylum.  And to do that, the UK either has to withdraw from the RC or remains a signatory and attempts some sort of legal work around.  The Tories of course went for the latter option in the Illegal Migration Act by seeking to interpret the word "directly" in Article 31(1) in a manner that precluded irregular migrants from being able to claim asylum.  But this interpretation was rejected by the UN

https://www.unhcr.org/uk/publications/unhcr-recommendations-implementation-illegal-migration-act-2023

and by human rights lawyers and academics. Which I'm guessing would have left the Act open to a strong legal challenge.  So in other words another classic half measure by the Tories.  Thus, it strikes me that to properly tackle illegal migration it's necessary to withdraw from both the RC.

Given the key role played by the RC with regard to illegal migration, I'm unclear why Jenrick is so focused on the ECHR.  Perhaps because, rightly he sees it as a fundamental obstacle to deporting those already here. This thread by Ragiv Shah (https://x.com/RajivShah90/status/1841074546989768958) sets out how the ECHR is a greater obstacle to deportation than the RC.

Shah argues in this thread (https://x.com/RajivShah90/status/1841474925258785021) that

"Seeking to leave the ECHR and replace it with a British Bill of Rights is a big mistake.  Human rights law is problematic because it gives judges the power to decide what should be questions of political morality.  A British Bill of Rights would lead to the same problems...

Issue with HR law is that by asking judges to interpret vaguely worded provisions expressed in moral terms, it is necessarily inviting judges to decide what their understanding of those concepts are and it's hard to do that w/o letting one's own views in...

As Professor @JTasioulas  said we need to rescue human rights from human rights law, and we do not do that by setting up a new Bill of Rights. As @michaelpforan said, that does not mean that no new legislation might be required (on the contrary)"

And Shah links to this thread by Foran (https://x.com/michaelpforan/status/1840715002455396467) who suggests that we should move away from vaguely worded legislation inviting judicial interpretation to more detailed legislation that clearly sets out the will of Parliament.

"We don’t need a Bill of Rights, we need a Privacy Act, a Freedom of Expression Act, a Family Life Act, a Freedom on Belief Act and so on. Somewhere where Parliament does the work of legislating on these issues concretely, rather than passing the responsibility to courts."

And Foran links to this interesting thread by Philip Murray (https://x.com/philipmurraylaw/status/1840674737090896144) who states

"I'm on the more sceptical side when it comes to the ECHR. This isn't because I don't think the rights it enshrines are important, or because I'm against pan-European rights protection, but because I think its method for protecting rights sits uneasily with common law tradition."

Murray depressingly notes that

"ECHR withdrawal is also appealing to those who wish to increase control of national borders. The shadow of the Rwanda litigation looms large here. But R (AAA) v Home Secretary (the Supreme Court's Rwanda judgment) was only partially based on the ECHR.

If the UK hadn't been a signatory to the ECHR, the Rwanda scheme would still have been declared unlawful by the court. That's because of the UK's obligations under the Refugee Convention and, potentially, customary international law, all incorporated into domestic law.

Again, it's intellectually dishonest to present ECHR withdrawal as the silver bullet of border control without acknowledging the complex intermeshing of multiple international law obligations. There's a lot of Convention scapegoating going on here."

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John E Clarke's avatar

With regards to judicial overreach - judges interpret/apply law made by our elected parliament. It is not made up on the spot, and the Home Office is not above the law even though it probably thinks it should be. Judges decisions are open to challenge up until the Supreme Court. The premise for leaving the ECHR is to curb illegal immigration. The purpose of the ECHR is to protect citizens from political overreach. Illegal immigration is very small in comparison to legal controllable migration therefore change the rules to suit and deal with the illegal issue through better management and agreements. Illegal immigration wasn't an issue before brexit and oddly brexit wasn't an issue before that pot got stirred. Politicians past & present are far more a threat to our liberties than illegal migration has ever been. We must ensure that we are protected from them, and it is of course politicians stirring the pot with regards to abolishing the ECHR for their own career and media advancement. Finally, no one can say that leaving the ECHR will solve the problem, and no one can provide actual fact-based data showing the ECHR is guilty as charged. It is all hysterical simplistic stuff.

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