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Marblechops's avatar

I think you miss a key point. It’s about the language. Once Trump begins the mass deportations it will make it more permissible to talk about doing the same in other countries without the same level of opprobrium. Expect Farage to begin that dialogue over here when it happens.

Otherwise much of what you say is true. An exogenous shock from the markets is our best hope to bring reality to this silly little island.

Do watch Liz Truss on Dan Wootton’s show last night. She gets it.

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Gregb's avatar

"The problems of mass immigration are always more pronounced in times of economic strife "

That economic strife is not far away.

With the OBR forecasting that the climate change and renewables levies increasing to £18.6bn in 2025/26, no sensible business is going to invest in a country where energy costs are sky high.

"Heating or food this week, my dear?" will be heard in more and more households this winter. It's not that the lunatics have taken over the asylum, the forces of destruction have.

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John E Clarke's avatar

Trump won the elections fair and square. I'm no fan but I am a democrat with a small d. He won on the economy, with his relentless touring speaking and touring of 'fly over America' proving that there is no such thing as bad publicity. He is 'in touch' There will be no mass deportations or any of the racist claptrap he has endorsed. First of all the USA needs the labour force and secondly, where will they go? It is an easier-said-than-done thing, Trump has learned a lesson from the Mexican wall fail. Maybe say it but don't try and deliver what is undeliverable. He is a money & ego man who loves a deal. He will focus on the economy and the projection of power in all its forms not tilting at windmills.

Farage is off for greater self-gratification at the Whitehouse Mar a Lago and Force One. It's that or working on social cases and allotment disputes in Clacton. I know which one I would choose and it isn't selfless public service. Unless Tice discovers charisma then Reform is over. Reform is over.

The Tories are no better, always on the media banging on about all sorts of cultural and economic irrelevancies. Trying to score political points as if an election is around the corner. They must accept their whopping electoral failure, work on policies for economic revival, work on their gravitas, and let the rest of us get on with our lives un-harranged for a couple of years. Labour has enough rope as it is without any need for Badendoch.

As for the other right-wing looney tunes, I include Homeland with its red squirrel nonsense in that constituency. Logically they must be hoping that the economy continues to tank which will give them more soil to seed with the malign fantasy of deportations, blood tests, and Kristallnacht in the midlands which will sweep them and their fantasy to power

How can anyone wanting better things for this country desire that? Trump won on the economy, Tories lost on economic incompetence. Starmer & Reeves are floundering as they don't get businesses or how to kick-start the economy.

If you want power popularity and influence it is by raising living standards, providing good services and putting pounds in people's pockets and optimism in their heads. That is what Trump won on.

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Rod's avatar

Somehow I don't think America needs towns full of Venezuelan drug dealers, anymore than we need hundreds of Vietnamese Pot farmers.....

I believed Trump will begin deportations. Some Countries in Europe are finally waking up & starting to as well. Sadly, Britain, especially under Labour, won't. As usual, we'll be at the back of the class .

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John Jones's avatar

"Krisallnacht in the Midlands" - nice pithy strapline for Homeland.

Do you think Homeland is synonymous with Fatherland?.

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Alan Williams's avatar

I think you need to be pragmatic in choosing who to back. Of course no party or leader is perfect but who can realistically win? Certainly not the Homeland party, it’s either Reform or the Conservatives. Ideally I’d like to see Kemi succeed and Reform replace many Labour MPs.

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Gregb's avatar

Are any of them any good? Maybe collectively, we could finance DJ Trump to build an impenetrable wall around Westminster, preferably during PMQs.

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John Jones's avatar

"..As such, anyone suggesting that Homeland is an extreme party is clearly not giving any real thought to the possible outcomes..."

You don't have to be a tarot card reader to look up the history and provenance including the leadership credentials of Homeland.

I watched a bit of the annual conference video in deepest Derbyshire - what struck me was the veneer of respectabiliy of the young white males some of whom looked pretty furtive in their macs leaving the hotel?

If I was more cynical, I'd have probably spotted an Oswald in the crowd & a few young 'uns in Brown Shirts - I didn't spot any jackboots to be fair.

Look, I understand Pete's need/desire to be part of something - to have a political platform and homestead.

From recent writings - I'm not convinced as to the coherence and stability of a party founded oh, in January 2024. As for its leadership team - they are not my type.

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Rod's avatar

All I would say to this is, desperate times need desperate measures....

Both Cromwell & Churchill were considered to be extremists in their day, but cometh the day, cometh the man. Sadly we currently lack anyone of the calibre of these two.

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John Jones's avatar

Rod - I'm not that desperate - thanks pal. As I wrote earlier - the calibre of Homeland's leadership smells a "bit off" to me.

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Daz Pearce's avatar

I'm pretty sure they're an offshoot of Mark Collett's lot - and every man and his dog knows Collett's a wrong un. Homeland are a 'wipe your feet on the way out' outfit, no question...

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John Jones's avatar

Matt Goodwin has joined Reform - interesting.

At least in Reform, they know how to correctly use a knife & fork.

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Daz Pearce's avatar

oh there will be Homeland members who know EXACTLY how to use a knife. Would you like yours rare or well done? Lol

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John Jones's avatar

I was thinking of Reform being more at the dining table than in the alley.

Still, Pete's a bright lad - hopefully he'll learn quickly as to what he's joined - wonder if he'll get his subscriptions back?

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george hancock's avatar

Agree to some extent - Tories have no chance at the next election, they just aren’t trustworthy.

But behind that is the understanding Tory hierarchy is so Liberal they wont change even if they tank at the next election.

Farage may well build up his confidence (under Trumps presidency) which will help Nigel become a little more strident.

Of course the future of the new President will depend on his body guards effectiveness 😙

The younger generation of voters spend little time on MSM so even if the EU/UK clamp down on independent networks, the reaction to government will be raucous and non co-operative.

I see a little hope now.

This stint of Labour will be as disastrous for them as the last government was to the Tories.

Not forgetting the low turnout and votes for the traditional parties I can see a massive reaction at the next election leading to a radical change in the make up of Parliament.

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The Martyr's avatar

So don’t waste your vote on Reform as that’ll guarantee a Labour administration as they’ve peaked at 18%-20% but vote Homeland Party who no one’s heard of instead? Bizarre.

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John Sampson's avatar

I think he wrote "join", not "vote". Not so easy though, as the HP doesn't seem to have a website, unless search engines have been fixed to exclude it.

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John O'Leary's avatar

I think you may well be right about search engine exclusion, but it does exist:

https://homelandparty.org/

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John O'Leary's avatar

Not sure what the differences are between the Homeland Party and Britain First. Perhaps you could write a blog post on why you chose to join one and not the other Pete?

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Matt Oldfield's avatar

"anyone suggesting that Homeland is an extreme party" - For me the lightbulb moment was realising the ruling class for the last 10 plus years are the extremists. Peak Liberalism with its Net Zero, open borders, trans ideology, modern monetary theory and endless years is the extreme position. The way our ruling extremists hold the line is through extreme punishment for individuals who question the orthodoxy.

How do we flip the narrative and collective consciousness of the majority to understand its the ruling who are the extremists?

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Oliver Ford's avatar

Sadly the problem may solve itself by Britain becoming so bankrupt we can't afford the benefits anymore, and noone will want to come.

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Nicholas Craddy's avatar

Hi Peter,

I do understand your reticence surrounding Farage, Reform, etc. and your analysis of why the Trump campaign went the way it did, successful.

However, a couple of points I hope you will consider.

1/ Trump is popular because he isn’t a “Bloody Politician “, and in the UK same as the USA, we now have front benches that are composed entirely of people who have never held down a job, and/or run a business.

The Reform “Front Bench” -for want of a better description- are all people who have worked and run businesses.

2/ “Half the people in the country can’t stand Farage”. Half (ish) the people in the USA can’t stand Trump, but he still won comfortably.

OK, Farage ain’t the Brains of Britain, but a lot of people do like him or his message, ditto Trump, there are many similarities.

And give me a free beer Kier has become “see clear through Kier” to an awful lot of otherwise non political Brits.

Cheers Pete, always like your articles

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Anthony Stone's avatar

Bang on the money Pete, as per. My only quibble is "managed" decline. From what I can see it's not managed at all because the culprits dont recognise that progressivism IS decline.

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Rod's avatar

Great blog again Pete. Very hard to find any flaws in your argument. 👏👏

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