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Gareth's avatar

My perception is that the Good Friday Agreement has become irrelevant. The Irish on both sides of the border are now more worried about third-world migrants than the traditional quarrel between loyalist and republican. Indeed, loyalists and republicans have taken part in joint protests against the flood of third-world migrants.

If the UK leaves the ECHR some politicans in Dublin will huff and puff but that's all.

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Mr Blah's avatar

To be blunt - if it's either civil war in NI or civil war here then we must trash the GFI and devil take the hindmost. Ultimately No law is enforceable without physical force - rulings be damned. All the rest is talk that will come to naught.

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Stout Yeoman's avatar

Third party arbitration works under a clear legal umbrela i.e domestically within the UK as with employment law disputes. If arbitration fails then it is back to tribunals. But international arbitration is not like this. An activist ECHR is the last body the UK should want to arbitrate disputes with neighbours.

If the UK and Ireland fall out then it is up to the two governments ot negotiate, not hand off to some mythically neutral arbitrator.

Yes of course the push back to the UK reclaiming full sovereignty over itself will be considerable. The issue is whether it is worth the pain and struggle. Some of us believe it is. But, it will need a government with a clear majority able to claim a mandate from an explicit manifesto commitment.

Will we get such a goverment? Given the electoral and demographic background and a 5th columist media then alas we almost certainly will not

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george hancock's avatar

The GFA doesn’t allow border control between Eire and Ulster.

But it is essential if the UK is to take back control of its borders.

Policing UK borders becomes impossible without a Northern Ireland border as it is a gaping hole.

Risking a new ‘troubles’ is far less worrying than civil war in both countries.

Besides Sinn Fein have lost support with Irish people after encouraging mass migration to Eire.

Peter wringing his hands again? I reckon he’s after a job in the BBC or Reform.

(Sorry Peter, tongue in cheek).

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JB's avatar

Let us just have a punt at a Border Poll, and see if the NI issue solves itself.

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Publius's avatar

"On the basis of our experience with Brexit"

One other lesson "on the basis of our experience with Brexit" is that we should not allow Brussels and the international Blob to use Northern Ireland as a lever to dictate to us our own internal politics.

It should not be overlooked that Braverman's 52-page document is as much a political act as a technical statement. And the political act is to further the above point. Politically.

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Kat Harvey's avatar

NI is a sovereign part of Great Britain and must not be taken hostage by the EU enemy as though it is a weakling calf snatched by the wolf pack. NI must be kept entirely out of all talks or we will insist on leaving without negotiating.

In fact, history shows there is no point or requirement to negotiations. We are always bullied out of our needs every time, so we must avoid them and get back to using force if necessary.

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Paul's avatar

If anyone thinks the ECHR is a good thing in its current form they need to consult a psychiatrist.

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Daz Pearce's avatar

I'm surprised that Braverman is still 'a thing' but c'est la vie. She seems politically homeless these days...

Instinct is telling me if we mess with the NI situation any further it could very easily lead to a united Ireland. Support for unification is hovering close to the halfway mark and a decisive majority think Brexit has been a catastophe.

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