Banning genial mutilation, forced marriages "back home", polygamy getting benefits - yes do it now. But only things that are obviously wrong should be banned. The first generation children are watching their parents...
We have to make British laws stand for all & not allow Sharia laws at all. Having read the Quŕan, it's about conquer & convert. They have something called Taqiyyah, which they use to great effect, it means they are allowed to openly lie, if it furthers the cause of Islam ! They cherry pick what they want from British society & reject the rest. Gaddafi once said that Muslims no longer need to fight to conquer the West, all they have to do is move to the West & breed. Muslim men will not allow their married women to work & 75% of all immigrants never work from the time they set foot on our shores. Extended family get the oap & it's been proved that immigrants never repay what they get in benefits from the taxpayers for all their lives ! First cousin marriage is costing the NHS a fortune by looking after the resultant deformed children. The goal of Muslims is to rule any country they live in, Muslims cannot live in peace if they're not getting their way. Our Politicians & Councils won't say No to Muslims, too scared of being called racist or Islamophobic. We have to have only one law in this country & that's ours. We're already paying a form of Gizja, the tax Muslim countries confer onto those who will not convert. It's really a protection racket. We're paying them to live here, with all the benefits afforded to them. We have polygamy, which is against the law in this country & all wives receive benefits & their own houses. It's time the gravy train stopped & those who won't adhere to our laws & culture should be deported. They're already starting sectarian politics, all they do is demand & demand, they're no interest in us whatsoever. We're just a means to get what they want & our politicians know this, but are also too scared to take them on !
This isn’t about the burqa it’s about getting our country back and holding all parts of society to British law, British rule and British culture. You’re also right that this won’t be about passing laws and waiting for compliance because that will have to be enforced. It will get nasty. The lefty press, NGOs and organisations of government will be against it - because that’s what they do. There will probably be deaths and we will have to finish what we start because if we don’t we will really have lost and everyone all over the planet will know that we’ve lost. If that happens it’s emigration time if you can find somewhere to go.
One might ask, for clarification purposes, how British law, rule and culture differ from the lefty press, NGOs and organisations of government. The situation seems to be an extension of how the Reform Party appears - no ideas, no co-ordination, no policies. Vacuums get filled.
With four years to go before the next general election it’s absurd to expect a fully thought through policy with details of what Acts need to be changed or introduced. We’re at the ambition stage and there’s nothing wrong with that with so much time to pass. Once we’re agreed on the ambition the detailed work can begin. Calling this a vacuum and typical of Reform could be considered lazy thinking.
No. A party in opposition is a government in waiting. It should be ready for power. "Once we're agreed on the ambition" is when a party can announce its presence on the political scene, recruit members etc.
The Burkha has never been worn in this country, we are a country that has always used facial recognition. Dangerous men have escaped this country, by donning the burkha, it's a security risk ! All face coverings should been banned !
Our young don't get the great all round education of my generation, when a University education was worth having & we were taught how to think & not what to think, from infant school uowards !
All ethnic minorities enjoy Ethnic Minority Protection Status, which should cease, as they have more rights than us now.
The left are blinkered if they think love of country, is racist or Islamophobic ! How I dislike the misnomer of the word Islamophobia, it's a conveniently invented word, to stifle anyone who sees the negative aspects that surround this ideology !
I recall when Muslims wanted our Government to give them an English County many years ago, that would be theirs & theirs alone.
I also read some years ago, that some Muslims desired Buckingham Palace, to be the first Grande Mosque in Britain. Their entitlement is off the scale !
I don't understand the mentality of the left, all socialists are people who spend other peoples money & become so lackadaisical about spending it without accountability !
NGO's feelings of superiority is galling, they're only jumped up charity workers, who're handsomely paid by public donations. Those soppy Care for Calais women/men etc, acting like new social workers, when dealing with migrants & believing their tales of woe, should be ashamed of themselves, these young men are inwardly laughing at them. There's plenty of British people in need of help, but they haven't the same caché !
These NGO's know when the dinghies are setting off & where they'll be covertly unloading migrants further up the English coast, to be welcomed with packs of toiletries & shown how to disappear into the black market !
These NGO's & Care for Calais folk would've all would've been imprisoned or worse during WWII, for anti British activities. Why Antifa has not been an officially designated a terrorist organisation is beyond me, but perhaps daddy knows someone !
The freedoms my father's generation fought for, were hard won & are not there to be openly abused !
The left are kidding themselves if they keep bringing in, what they see as their main voting base, as once their numbers rise, as they are doing, they'll start their own political party (s) & Labour's usefulness is over.
Already Anas Sarwar, the Labour leader in Scotland, is quietly supporting sectarian politics, as are many other Muslims.
He also made the same Whiiiite speech as Humza Yusef & since Labour took power, is calling for Muslims to be in all the corridors of power & even schools. This demographic are intent on ruling, using subterfuge & taqiyyah.
Few politicians know enough about Islam to know what it's main aim is & others aren't brave enough, to grasp the nettle !
There's cultures within cultures, living in this country & most will never assimilate, they see no need to.
Unfortunately, since BLM & this Woke ideology reared it's ugly head, we've seen the extent of research into anyone tenuously linked to slavery being banned, the word " black " erased from places within Britain, that have no connection whatsoever to black people. One such, was Black Boys Alley, it's name has now been changed, although it was referencing the poor little boys, covered in coal dust, from working long shifts in the pits, who used the alley as a shortcut on their way home !
Only 6% of wealthy British families profited from the black slave trade & others worked their white employees like slaves !
Perhaps the brutal history of the poor, impoverished & working classes of this country, should be taught in schools, I'm certain most immigrants think white people have always lived well, always had free hospitals etc etc & benefits. They've no idea how the poor & working classes lived or were treated.
We have to get away from this Woke ideology, Cancel Culture & DEI. We once used meritocracy,when it came to recruiting for the Armed Forces & the Police & should return to this policy.
The Woke are seeing insults where there are none & our children are being taught to be ashamed & apologetic for being British !
We have to work towards safeguarding our children from this madness & to be proud of who they are & their country. to be taught British history, warts & all, as I was.
Head Teachers, on the advice of the Minister of Education, have the option of allowing their young pupils to be taken to the local Mosque, to learn how to pray as a Muslim & many have taken to doing so. If that's not a precursor of the way this country is going, then what is ! This same Minister wants even less British history taught & more of the immigrant pupil's countries of origin history instead.
Tony Blair introduced Multiculturalism & did so much more that ruined this country. Labour has never had transparency & simply imposes deals upon us, that are of no benefit to us or this country.
3rd world immigrants, cherry pick what they want from Western societies, but are still deeply entrenched in their own cultural beliefs,which they pass on to their British born children & grandchildren, especially when it comes to their perception of male & female roles. As they live in enclaves of their own, these beliefs remain hard wired.
We have gone too far in accommodating those who choose,of their own volition to emigrate here, whilst ignoring our own rich history & culture, to the point that it's almost unrecognisable !
Labour are stifling freedom of speech & we can now be classed as terrorists If we speak out against what they're doing. If we don't stand up & be counted, the left are going to give this country away & us with it.
There will be blowback if and when Islam is challenged and as I have mentioned previously it will be very nasty.
Peters reason for a burka ban I disagree with.
I see it as a safety/security measure rather than cultural.
I would expect face masks to be banned too.
If left wing protesters hide their faces they should be fined, or imprisoned, where physical violence has occurred.
I believe Zia Yusuf has resigned from Reform as a result of calls for banning the burka.
I find it a strange decision. Does he want people to wait until there is an atrocity with a burqa being used to hide the perpetrator before accepting the logic?
As for mosques.
Mosques teach insurrection according to Ed Hussain’s books.
That is illegal, no new laws are necessary.
Close the mosque where there is evidence and consider deportation as well as imprisonment of imams promoting insurrection.
In the British Raj, we kept right clear - as had the earlier Muslim conquerors at first - of religion. We let everyone get on with it. BUT some things - suttee and the juggernaut were banned. Wearing little red Hindu spots was, of course allowed as were the colour fights and candles of Diwali. And the temples stood.
Meanwhile the missionaries produced hospitals, the government railways and peace. Also the universal tongue of English and stable policing and government were taken for granted after the Great Rebellion.
The muslim conquerors demolished Hindu and Buddhist temples and built mosques on the ruins. They imposed sharia law on the population. That's partly why the British Raj was far more popular than anyone will admit today.
If you support free speech and free expression you can't ban the burqa like you can't ban top hats or daft woolly eco hats and ski masks from phone stealing yobbo scooter riders. To revive a trope what did we fight a war for? Yep, to enable free speech and stop people banning things like dress codes, art, architecture, human rights etc. Banning things is a nil-gain strategy, and it certainly won't bring your country back as it has never gone away, just evolved. France banned them and things have never been tenser there.
The question is why have some British-born and educated Muslim girls chosen to wear the burqa? I have no idea. Shouldn't we work out why first, then address those issues before anything else? On the basis of a genuine guess they are probably pissed off with the state of things in this country as anyone on here.
Basically, they choose to wear the Burqa because of one or more of:
-Their preachers tell them their souls will go to Hell if they don't
-Their husbands or fathers will beat them if they don't
-They are so shocked by what they see in Western society that they react against it by going out of their way to mark themselves out as different and Muslim.
I don't think those of my father's generation fought WWII so that immigrant women, could be free to wear the Burkha, or any other face coverings ! Immigration wasn't even on the British horizon then & few, if any Western forces, would've known what a Burkha was ! WWII was a fight against Fascism & Oppressive Regimes, it was fought for the freedoms of the Christian West ! I find it extremely hypocritical, that those who come to the West, to escape oppressive regimes, feel the need, to recreate the same oppression !
Is Reform incompetent, or is this the Hegelian Dialectic in action?
I think the naïvety is wise though; set up a PR trap so we’re just defending women’s rights, they attack plod and film it, the average person finally gets fed up enough to support the Police going in and breaking these shadow-societies up.
I really appreciate your analysis Pete. It will be hard with difficult consequences trying to 'shut the door'. I do also agree with your comment on Reform. Time for them to clarify policy and raison d'etre. Then sing off the same hymn sheet.
Extrapolated that situation seems more akin to "the troubles", so maybe military enforcement as it's pretty obvious our current police force isn't capable of handling that sort of situation.
Asserting British rule, including banning the Burka will require physical intervention.
If a government rolls back Sharia law, Halal food and universal benefits there will be retaliation.
Making the Burka illegal is a prerequisite to keeping the nation safe.
Such a ban will be a security nightmare in itself - but not banning the Burka will bring even more security problems.
Banning genial mutilation, forced marriages "back home", polygamy getting benefits - yes do it now. But only things that are obviously wrong should be banned. The first generation children are watching their parents...
If we want to save our country, hard choices will have to be made and we will have to accept the consequences of these choices.
If we don't, we loose everything.
We are between a rock and a hard place.
We have to make British laws stand for all & not allow Sharia laws at all. Having read the Quŕan, it's about conquer & convert. They have something called Taqiyyah, which they use to great effect, it means they are allowed to openly lie, if it furthers the cause of Islam ! They cherry pick what they want from British society & reject the rest. Gaddafi once said that Muslims no longer need to fight to conquer the West, all they have to do is move to the West & breed. Muslim men will not allow their married women to work & 75% of all immigrants never work from the time they set foot on our shores. Extended family get the oap & it's been proved that immigrants never repay what they get in benefits from the taxpayers for all their lives ! First cousin marriage is costing the NHS a fortune by looking after the resultant deformed children. The goal of Muslims is to rule any country they live in, Muslims cannot live in peace if they're not getting their way. Our Politicians & Councils won't say No to Muslims, too scared of being called racist or Islamophobic. We have to have only one law in this country & that's ours. We're already paying a form of Gizja, the tax Muslim countries confer onto those who will not convert. It's really a protection racket. We're paying them to live here, with all the benefits afforded to them. We have polygamy, which is against the law in this country & all wives receive benefits & their own houses. It's time the gravy train stopped & those who won't adhere to our laws & culture should be deported. They're already starting sectarian politics, all they do is demand & demand, they're no interest in us whatsoever. We're just a means to get what they want & our politicians know this, but are also too scared to take them on !
This isn’t about the burqa it’s about getting our country back and holding all parts of society to British law, British rule and British culture. You’re also right that this won’t be about passing laws and waiting for compliance because that will have to be enforced. It will get nasty. The lefty press, NGOs and organisations of government will be against it - because that’s what they do. There will probably be deaths and we will have to finish what we start because if we don’t we will really have lost and everyone all over the planet will know that we’ve lost. If that happens it’s emigration time if you can find somewhere to go.
One might ask, for clarification purposes, how British law, rule and culture differ from the lefty press, NGOs and organisations of government. The situation seems to be an extension of how the Reform Party appears - no ideas, no co-ordination, no policies. Vacuums get filled.
With four years to go before the next general election it’s absurd to expect a fully thought through policy with details of what Acts need to be changed or introduced. We’re at the ambition stage and there’s nothing wrong with that with so much time to pass. Once we’re agreed on the ambition the detailed work can begin. Calling this a vacuum and typical of Reform could be considered lazy thinking.
No. A party in opposition is a government in waiting. It should be ready for power. "Once we're agreed on the ambition" is when a party can announce its presence on the political scene, recruit members etc.
The Burkha has never been worn in this country, we are a country that has always used facial recognition. Dangerous men have escaped this country, by donning the burkha, it's a security risk ! All face coverings should been banned !
Our young don't get the great all round education of my generation, when a University education was worth having & we were taught how to think & not what to think, from infant school uowards !
All ethnic minorities enjoy Ethnic Minority Protection Status, which should cease, as they have more rights than us now.
The left are blinkered if they think love of country, is racist or Islamophobic ! How I dislike the misnomer of the word Islamophobia, it's a conveniently invented word, to stifle anyone who sees the negative aspects that surround this ideology !
I recall when Muslims wanted our Government to give them an English County many years ago, that would be theirs & theirs alone.
I also read some years ago, that some Muslims desired Buckingham Palace, to be the first Grande Mosque in Britain. Their entitlement is off the scale !
I don't understand the mentality of the left, all socialists are people who spend other peoples money & become so lackadaisical about spending it without accountability !
NGO's feelings of superiority is galling, they're only jumped up charity workers, who're handsomely paid by public donations. Those soppy Care for Calais women/men etc, acting like new social workers, when dealing with migrants & believing their tales of woe, should be ashamed of themselves, these young men are inwardly laughing at them. There's plenty of British people in need of help, but they haven't the same caché !
These NGO's know when the dinghies are setting off & where they'll be covertly unloading migrants further up the English coast, to be welcomed with packs of toiletries & shown how to disappear into the black market !
These NGO's & Care for Calais folk would've all would've been imprisoned or worse during WWII, for anti British activities. Why Antifa has not been an officially designated a terrorist organisation is beyond me, but perhaps daddy knows someone !
The freedoms my father's generation fought for, were hard won & are not there to be openly abused !
The left are kidding themselves if they keep bringing in, what they see as their main voting base, as once their numbers rise, as they are doing, they'll start their own political party (s) & Labour's usefulness is over.
Already Anas Sarwar, the Labour leader in Scotland, is quietly supporting sectarian politics, as are many other Muslims.
He also made the same Whiiiite speech as Humza Yusef & since Labour took power, is calling for Muslims to be in all the corridors of power & even schools. This demographic are intent on ruling, using subterfuge & taqiyyah.
Few politicians know enough about Islam to know what it's main aim is & others aren't brave enough, to grasp the nettle !
There's cultures within cultures, living in this country & most will never assimilate, they see no need to.
Unfortunately, since BLM & this Woke ideology reared it's ugly head, we've seen the extent of research into anyone tenuously linked to slavery being banned, the word " black " erased from places within Britain, that have no connection whatsoever to black people. One such, was Black Boys Alley, it's name has now been changed, although it was referencing the poor little boys, covered in coal dust, from working long shifts in the pits, who used the alley as a shortcut on their way home !
Only 6% of wealthy British families profited from the black slave trade & others worked their white employees like slaves !
Perhaps the brutal history of the poor, impoverished & working classes of this country, should be taught in schools, I'm certain most immigrants think white people have always lived well, always had free hospitals etc etc & benefits. They've no idea how the poor & working classes lived or were treated.
We have to get away from this Woke ideology, Cancel Culture & DEI. We once used meritocracy,when it came to recruiting for the Armed Forces & the Police & should return to this policy.
The Woke are seeing insults where there are none & our children are being taught to be ashamed & apologetic for being British !
We have to work towards safeguarding our children from this madness & to be proud of who they are & their country. to be taught British history, warts & all, as I was.
Head Teachers, on the advice of the Minister of Education, have the option of allowing their young pupils to be taken to the local Mosque, to learn how to pray as a Muslim & many have taken to doing so. If that's not a precursor of the way this country is going, then what is ! This same Minister wants even less British history taught & more of the immigrant pupil's countries of origin history instead.
Tony Blair introduced Multiculturalism & did so much more that ruined this country. Labour has never had transparency & simply imposes deals upon us, that are of no benefit to us or this country.
3rd world immigrants, cherry pick what they want from Western societies, but are still deeply entrenched in their own cultural beliefs,which they pass on to their British born children & grandchildren, especially when it comes to their perception of male & female roles. As they live in enclaves of their own, these beliefs remain hard wired.
We have gone too far in accommodating those who choose,of their own volition to emigrate here, whilst ignoring our own rich history & culture, to the point that it's almost unrecognisable !
Labour are stifling freedom of speech & we can now be classed as terrorists If we speak out against what they're doing. If we don't stand up & be counted, the left are going to give this country away & us with it.
Banning the burqa is simply a sticking plaster. We need to ban islam.
I agree with much of Peters thoughts.
There will be blowback if and when Islam is challenged and as I have mentioned previously it will be very nasty.
Peters reason for a burka ban I disagree with.
I see it as a safety/security measure rather than cultural.
I would expect face masks to be banned too.
If left wing protesters hide their faces they should be fined, or imprisoned, where physical violence has occurred.
I believe Zia Yusuf has resigned from Reform as a result of calls for banning the burka.
I find it a strange decision. Does he want people to wait until there is an atrocity with a burqa being used to hide the perpetrator before accepting the logic?
As for mosques.
Mosques teach insurrection according to Ed Hussain’s books.
That is illegal, no new laws are necessary.
Close the mosque where there is evidence and consider deportation as well as imprisonment of imams promoting insurrection.
In the British Raj, we kept right clear - as had the earlier Muslim conquerors at first - of religion. We let everyone get on with it. BUT some things - suttee and the juggernaut were banned. Wearing little red Hindu spots was, of course allowed as were the colour fights and candles of Diwali. And the temples stood.
Meanwhile the missionaries produced hospitals, the government railways and peace. Also the universal tongue of English and stable policing and government were taken for granted after the Great Rebellion.
If only we did that to the new chums today!
The muslim conquerors demolished Hindu and Buddhist temples and built mosques on the ruins. They imposed sharia law on the population. That's partly why the British Raj was far more popular than anyone will admit today.
Indeed - after Aurangzeb (1658-1707) started insisting on Muslim conformity. Before that, the Muslims were quite popular.
If you support free speech and free expression you can't ban the burqa like you can't ban top hats or daft woolly eco hats and ski masks from phone stealing yobbo scooter riders. To revive a trope what did we fight a war for? Yep, to enable free speech and stop people banning things like dress codes, art, architecture, human rights etc. Banning things is a nil-gain strategy, and it certainly won't bring your country back as it has never gone away, just evolved. France banned them and things have never been tenser there.
The question is why have some British-born and educated Muslim girls chosen to wear the burqa? I have no idea. Shouldn't we work out why first, then address those issues before anything else? On the basis of a genuine guess they are probably pissed off with the state of things in this country as anyone on here.
Basically, they choose to wear the Burqa because of one or more of:
-Their preachers tell them their souls will go to Hell if they don't
-Their husbands or fathers will beat them if they don't
-They are so shocked by what they see in Western society that they react against it by going out of their way to mark themselves out as different and Muslim.
I don't think those of my father's generation fought WWII so that immigrant women, could be free to wear the Burkha, or any other face coverings ! Immigration wasn't even on the British horizon then & few, if any Western forces, would've known what a Burkha was ! WWII was a fight against Fascism & Oppressive Regimes, it was fought for the freedoms of the Christian West ! I find it extremely hypocritical, that those who come to the West, to escape oppressive regimes, feel the need, to recreate the same oppression !
I strongly suspect many of the Muslim women in England wear face coverings by choice.
It's the "look at me" inversion of yoga pants jammed up the arse crack.
Is Reform incompetent, or is this the Hegelian Dialectic in action?
I think the naïvety is wise though; set up a PR trap so we’re just defending women’s rights, they attack plod and film it, the average person finally gets fed up enough to support the Police going in and breaking these shadow-societies up.
...and in breaking news Zia Yousuf has resigned as Reform party chairman. It's a clown show over there.
It has no place on our streets, ban it.
I really appreciate your analysis Pete. It will be hard with difficult consequences trying to 'shut the door'. I do also agree with your comment on Reform. Time for them to clarify policy and raison d'etre. Then sing off the same hymn sheet.
Extrapolated that situation seems more akin to "the troubles", so maybe military enforcement as it's pretty obvious our current police force isn't capable of handling that sort of situation.